whats it typically cost to have flares buttwelded, proffesionally on the rear qtrs? Options

[Grimstead]

So Aaron,
Did you call him and set it up?

When he was here, he said he did alot of flares.

[Aaron Cox]

QUOTE (Grimstead @ Jul 20 2005, 02:24 PM)

So Aaron, Did you call him and set it up? When he was here, he said he did alot of flares.

havent called and set it up yet....

there is a dissenting opinion on torch welding....

and bill - did he say it was a FLAT 600? or was that an estimate (ie it takes 15 hours instead of 12 etc....)

[Series9]

I don't want to be the single voice against torch welding here. I've welded sheet metal with all three methods and the torch is the worst on the metal and least effecient. Of the three methods, torch welding will heat more surrounding metal than the other two, but all methods have to reach the 2700 degree melting point of steel.

The RS was accomplished entirely with a TIG, but now that I have a MIG, I would likey use it for the flares. I'm making nice welds with the MIG and you could too.

Two pictures attached from Liz's car. Welded up the bumper shock holes (one before smoothing and one after).

I am not saying that this guy isn't a serious expert with a torch or that he can't do a great job on your flares. I am saying that I wouldn't do it that way and that most expereinced welders can do the job very nicely with a quality MIG machine (not flux core).

[Series9]

oops, pictures. Before smoothing:

[Series9]

after smoothing:

[Aaron Cox]

so... anyone who knows what they are doing with a mig could help me with this right?

joe sharp has the cool body panel clamps.....

[MikeP]

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Since we're tlking flares, I recently bought a FG set and they came without the 90 degree lip. How the hell do you glass them in without the lip? Cut the fender a bunch of times and bend up tabs?

[Series9]

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Jul 20 2005, 03:27 PM)

so... anyone who knows what they are doing with a mig could help me with this right? joe sharp has the cool body panel clamps.....

You need a good gas shielded MIG, but if the welder is skilled, yes.

I would be willing to do if for you personally, if you get everything ready and can wait for me to come in town.

[Series9]

Two key pictures to get you started.

#1: Position the flare on the car. Notice the fender arch is slightly larger than the stock arch underneath. Split the difference to center the flare over the opening. DO NOT rely on fiberglass rockers, bumpers or anything else to position the flare on the car. Center the flare on the opening by eye. Yes, it's subjective, but it's the most accurate way (and far more accurate than fiberglass rockers, etc.):

[Aaron Cox]

these arent GT flares.... theyre flared original 914 qtr panel pieces....cut off of a car....

flared lip/fender to fit 8" whels and 225 tires.... very subtle.... stock lip in place

[Series9]

#2: Screw the flare down tightly to the old fender before you scribe the line. Then scribe, remove the flare and cut very carefully with a jig saw. Take your time, it's worth it.

Then find someone with a good welder and have them do it, or wait for me. If you wait for me, it'll be free (except beer). I was kidding about the $500, although that is what I would charge in my shop.

[Series9]

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Jul 20 2005, 03:44 PM)

these arent GT flares.... theyre flared original 914 qtr panel pieces....cut off of a car.... flared lip/fender to fit 8" whels and 225 tires.... very subtle.... stock lip in place

Instructions remain the same.

[Allan]

I don't know how well it would work out as for logistics but if we could get everybody here I could arrange the shop. We have a gas shielded mig and a lift if it would help... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)

[Grimstead]

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Jul 20 2005, 02:26 PM)

QUOTE (Grimstead @ Jul 20 2005, 02:24 PM) So Aaron, Did you call him and set it up? When he was here, he said he did alot of flares. havent called and set it up yet.... there is a dissenting opinion on torch welding.... and bill - did he say it was a FLAT 600? or was that an estimate (ie it takes 15 hours instead of 12 etc....)

From what I remeber, he said 600 dollars for the job. But by everything else he said during the day was that charged $50hr no matter what kind of car he's working on. If I was to guess, I would say he meant his $600 was a estimite but by seeing how well he worked I think it would work out in your favor.
I hope this helps?

[Reiche]

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Jul 20 2005, 02:26 PM)

havent called and set it up yet.... there is a dissenting opinion on torch welding....

John Kelly says here he prefers torch to MIG:

QUOTE

Gas welding is my first choice because the metal stays fairly soft and workable, and metal-finishing is easier (and more quiet). Mig welding work-hardens the metal and seems to shrink the weld area excessively. Gas welding also shrinks (heat shrinks); however, the metal is still workable with hammer & dolly, whereas a mig-welded panel is a little more difficult to work.

[Verruckt]

QUOTE (914RS @ Jul 20 2005, 04:45 PM)

If you wait for me, it'll be free (except beer).

When will 'rent-a-joe' be in Kansas City the next time? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/lol2.gif)


Sounds like a good deal Aaron. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

[Series9]

QUOTE (Reiche @ Jul 20 2005, 06:22 PM)

John Kelly says here he prefers torch to MIG

I will certainly not argue with Mr. Kelly, who is clearly a master metal worker.

I will say, however, that if you use a torch on sheet metal, you will need it to be workable, because you're going to HAVE to work it.

Not saying that the MIG welded panel won't require some work, but torch welding sheet tends to warp the crap out of it due to the excessive heating of the surrounding area.

With the MIG, the technique starts with tacking many places and then stitching in small increments to keep the heat down and warpage to a minimum.

I think Aaron wants to simply attach flares, not weld sections that will require future stretching and molding.

[redshift]

I am good enough with gas to do brass repairs, I never knew it was a suitable way to do flares!

Oh my goodness, I am a welder!



M

[Series9]

QUOTE (Verruckt @ Jul 20 2005, 06:35 PM)

QUOTE (914RS @ Jul 20 2005, 04:45 PM) If you wait for me, it'll be free (except beer). When will 'rent-a-joe' be in Kansas City the next time? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/lol2.gif) Sounds like a good deal Aaron. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

Sorry, I don't fly to MCI.

[0396]

QUOTE (Elliot Cannon @ Jul 17 2005, 04:22 PM)

I sent you a PM with the number of a guy who will come to your house to do the job.  He's the same guy that did matts car.         Cheers,  Elliot

Elliot,

What's the secret, who's this 'guy'?. Maybe some of us can
utilize him too.

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