Had to post this -6., I was going to hold my tongue... BHCC Options

[jaredmcginness]

I would like to see where it was sitting.

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[914forme]

I have one that is a way better starting point and can be had for a bit more, number matching, mostly all the original parts. What I thought was fair value as it sits now makes me thing it is a six figure car today......

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People get what they will get for this car hope them best of luck with the sale. I looked at a worse unit in Columbus Ohio in the 90s they wanted a grand for it, and what you got was a VIN, and loads of iron oxide. I could have picked it up in my Ford Ranger, and most likely I would have taken the VIN plates and put them in the cab. That way I did not lose the part as all the rust flying out as I am driving I-70.

[Superhawk996]

People get what they will get for this car hope them best of luck with the sale. I looked at a worse unit in Columbus Ohio in the 90s they wanted a grand for it, and what you got was a VIN, and loads of iron oxide. I could have picked it up in my Ford Ranger, and most likely I would have taken the VIN plates and put them in the cab. That way I did not lose the part as all the rust flying out as I am driving I-70.

I'll just state for the record that I recognize you have not done this and are stating it tongue in cheek.

Likewise, for the record, swapping VIN's is illegal. In the eyes of the law, and those interesed in cars, their history, and collecting, there is a big difference between restoration of a /6 vehicle and it's VIN vs. cutting the the VIN out and simply pasting the parts into a good /4 donor.

I'll agree in theory that in the most extreme example I've given of simply pasting a VIN the end result may not be much different than the tale of "My Grandfather's Axe". However, obscuring the orgin of a vehicle is not moral, legal, or ethical.

Again to be clear, I'm using 914forme's example for illustrative purposes, not implying that he does this or would condone it. I've bought parts from him and found him to be nothing but a generous, kind soul, and all interactions with him have been seamless and I hold him in high regard.

Having once been the victim of this type of VIN swapping on a supposed /6 back in the late 90's I fear that is what is likely to happen to this car in the wrong hands.

[wonkipop]

People get what they will get for this car hope them best of luck with the sale. I looked at a worse unit in Columbus Ohio in the 90s they wanted a grand for it, and what you got was a VIN, and loads of iron oxide. I could have picked it up in my Ford Ranger, and most likely I would have taken the VIN plates and put them in the cab. That way I did not lose the part as all the rust flying out as I am driving I-70.

I'll just state for the record that I recognize you have not done this and are stating it tongue in cheek.

Likewise, for the record, swapping VIN's is illegal. In the eyes of the law, and those interesed in cars, their history, and collecting, there is a big difference between restoration of a /6 vehicle and it's VIN vs. cutting the the VIN out and simply pasting the parts into a good /4 donor.

I'll agree in theory that in the most extreme example I've given of simply pasting a VIN the end result may not be much different than the tale of "My Grandfather's Axe". However, obscuring the orgin of a vehicle is not moral, legal, or ethical.

Again to be clear, I'm using 914forme's example for illustrative purposes, not implying that he does this or would condone it. I've bought parts from him and found him to be nothing but a generous, kind soul, and all interactions with him have been seamless and I hold him in high regard.

Having once been the victim of this type of VIN swapping on a supposed /6 back in the late 90's I fear that is what is likely to happen to this car in the wrong hands.

its certainly illegal to transfer a VIN # to another chassis in aus.
the chassis is considered under law to be the car - once the chassis can no longer be repaired the car is terminated. in legal terms. at least for the purposes of road registration and use. (i think repair is defined to in terms of percentage of chassis - for instance a cut and shut is a NO NO which is not to say they are not done but.....)

the laws were drawn up originally to combat car theft in aus. exactly how that works in practical real world terms is difficult to say as the idea of extensive restoration was not a consideration in this country.

i've heard its different in the UK where it is legal to replace the body shell (chassis) and the vin # can be transferred. but i might have heard wrong. an example were the heritage body shells for mgbs that were once marketed? if i have the story right the cars did not get new vin#s but remained the "original" car. the english considered proof of ownership of the original car as the instrument that legitimised the car. The body shell was considered a part, more or less the same as a spark plug. disclosure would have been part of the equation however.

car restoration is getting pretty academic - definitely entered the world of quasi "art" objects. thats a good thing.

i guess what settles questions is disclosure and provenance.
being able to trace the condition of a car over its history.
not necessarily to prove its always been in good condition.

914/6s are rare - any left deserve regard.
values allow a serious restorer to do that and cover the cost.
hopefully the prospect of unusual profit is never motivation, just not losing $.
you would be a brave man on this one?

but a reconstructed car has merit.
the merit is in it being able to be used again and driven?

i know one thing, when you finished you wouldn't think twice about taking it out and giving it a thrashing to make yourself smile. you can get insurance to cover the risks.

you would be pretty brave to drive an original 914/6 in unmolested excellent condition out on the roads.