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Neewbie Questions, Emissions, EFI vs. Carburetors, Suspension Questions |
Alive_75 |
May 20 2021, 12:26 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: 10-May 21 From: Montclair Member No.: 25,533 Region Association: None |
Good morning 914 community. I just picked up my first 914, its a 1975 Silver in good condition. I am finding out that 1975 does not require emissions in California so I am conflicted with refurbishing the EFI system or installing carburetors. What are your thoughts? Attached is a picture of the engine bay and it looks a mess, I would like to get carburetors in there but I dont know how bad it will affect the resale value.
Also, I will be doing brakes because the car has sat for 31 years and they will need to be upgraded. What s a good bolt on upgrade for the braking and suspension? I hear that some 911 parts will fit and also the e21 320i brakes are a good option. I just don't know what will be the easiest or cost effective upgrade. Thank you all in advance, I look forward to getting my first Porsche on the road not just on the road to recovery (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . Attached image(s) |
Superhawk996 |
May 20 2021, 12:40 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,841 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
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Looking forward to seeing another one back on the road. Brakes will need restoration after sitting that long but I woudn't immediately jump to assumption they need "upgrading". Stock brakes are very good. Don't let size and/or solid rotors fool you. This is only a 2000 lb vehicle. |
Shivers |
May 20 2021, 12:51 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2,389 Joined: 19-October 20 From: La Quinta, CA Member No.: 24,781 Region Association: Southern California |
Here you go dude, I learned all I wanted to know here: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=105728
For resale, even though I like my webers, I'd modify the stock injection |
SirAndy |
May 20 2021, 01:18 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,651 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
- While certainly dirty, it appears all the FI parts are there. I'd say give everything a thorough cleaning and stick with the FI.
- Same goes for the brakes. No need to "upgrade" anything if you can get it in good working order. PMB is your goto place for 914 brakes. - Have you looked for rust? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) PS: I used to live in Montclair ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) |
SirAndy |
May 20 2021, 01:24 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,651 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
... the car has sat for 31 years ... Also, please don't try and "see if it turns over". After sitting for so long, make sure you don't have water/corrosion in the cylinders (borescope is an invaluable tool here) and at a minimum change the oil and remove any sludge before you ever try to turn the engine. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
brant |
May 20 2021, 01:55 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,625 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I agree with above.
it looks like an L-jet 1.8 you'll have a better running car, more useable, easier to start, and with more resale value if you stick with the factory fuel injection the motor also does not have the correct cam shaft to support a carb sure it will run... but no horsepower gain... fuel stink, and less gas mileage and value if you convert it. I've owned lots of carb'd 914's don't do it unless you rebuild the full motor and can actually gain something. regarding brakes. some like the bmw caliper but I do not... its not stock it overwhelms the heat sink of the stock rotor it provides no performance advantage over a rebuilt stock system (people think it improves their brakes.... but only in comparison to a stock system that is needing rebuild... so yes it works better than worn out stock... but it does not work better than a rebuilt stock brake system) spend your brake money on pads and tires. that is the low hanging fruit for braking... and if you don't want to rebuild them yourself... not hard at all you can buy from PMB and they will be top quality... with full rebuild and even re-plaiting.... |
914sgofast2 |
May 20 2021, 02:05 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 617 Joined: 10-May 13 From: El Dorado Hills, CA Member No.: 15,855 Region Association: None |
I would delete the catalytic converter if ithas one. I would also delete the egr system. If you have the money, time and patience, then I would search for the parts (ecu, dizzy, and mps) from a 1973 year 2 liter motor since they had the least amount of emission controls on the 2 liter engines.
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930cabman |
May 20 2021, 02:33 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,073 Joined: 12-November 20 From: Buffalo Member No.: 24,877 Region Association: North East States |
Welcome aboard, you will find the conversations here are very helpful getting and keeping you new 914 rockin. I also have a "new" 1975 914 from the West coast listed as a "rust free project". I considered utilizing the stock FI system, but given the complexity, number of electrical connections, sensors, ECU, ... I ditched it for a twin Weber setup. Less than $800. and you are rolling. There were several modifications to the linkage, but nothing big. Is the condition of the engine known? compression?
Best of luck |
MM1 |
May 20 2021, 03:14 PM
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914 obsession continues Group: Members Posts: 608 Joined: 9-May 18 From: Thousand Oaks, CA Member No.: 22,105 Region Association: Southern California |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) You've found the right place - good luck!
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iankarr |
May 20 2021, 07:39 PM
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The wrencher formerly known as Cuddy_K Group: Members Posts: 2,474 Joined: 22-May 15 From: Heber City, UT Member No.: 18,749 Region Association: Intermountain Region |
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You're in the right place. This community is amazing. I made a series on 914s for newbies which you may find helpful. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmCYkBdj...PWMX9ecEK-qsKZs Also a bunch of other content on 914s on the channel as well.. |
horizontally-opposed |
May 20 2021, 09:40 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,432 Joined: 12-May 04 From: San Francisco Member No.: 2,058 Region Association: None |
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And congrats on getting a 914! You've definitely come to the right place, and are already getting a lot of good advice. I'd rebuild the stock injection, or find a 2.0 runner with working injection and rebuild your engine when/as you wish. Also agree with the advice on the stock brake system. Unless you go well beyond 100 hp, or add super grippy tires, the stock system is very good when it's sorted. You've also got what may be the biggest, most vibrant 914 community in a single location on planet earth. Just incredible resources. And then there's the rest of our merry lot. I won't name names, but I suppose they'll either be along to welcome you—or you'll spot their names over and over in threads here. |
wonkipop |
May 21 2021, 03:14 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,318 Joined: 6-May 20 From: north antarctica Member No.: 24,231 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
well, i love 1.8s.
and it might be dirty, but that engine does not appear to be a big mess looks fairly intact. depends what you are interested in. but......... 1.8s are what i like to think of as avante garde. not powerful, but definitely at the front edge when it comes to industrial archeology. its a light car anyway, which is half the fun, as a form of "power". its up to you what you want to make of it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) i'm with sir andy and brant with their advice. in the end its your car.....its your choice. but even the base car with its wimpy engine is special. the happiest 914 is the one with the smallest amount of built in rust. take note of sir andy asking the question. |
Cairo94507 |
May 21 2021, 07:31 AM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 9,774 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) You are over the hurdle. You have what appears to be a decent 914 and it looks as if no one has messed with it before. I too am in the keep the original FI and brakes.
First, I would begin with a chassis evaluation to make sure you do not have any major rust that needs addressing first. All of our cars have/had rust and it is the biggest hurdle to overcome. If you have the ability and motivation, I would drop the motor/transaxle and do a thorough clean up. Then you can check the motor out on a stand to make sure it is good to go. Replace all the vacuum lines, plugs, wires, valve adjust, etc. Also good time to assess the clutch. As for brakes, PMB Performance is the way to go. Get all 4 calipers rebuilt, replace the soft lines and maybe the master cylinder. Rotors are cheap, so that would be a great time to do that too. Most of all, have fun with the car. Start a restoration thread as you begin to get it ready to return to the road and post pictures of your progress. People will chime in with suggestions or assistance as needed. Welcome and enjoy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
wonkipop |
May 21 2021, 06:28 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,318 Joined: 6-May 20 From: north antarctica Member No.: 24,231 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
if its sat for 31 years you can add suspension bushings to your list.
its likely that car has front and rear sway bars - bushings will be shot too. probably the shocks. you can do all that after it is proven to run. it might still have original clutch, or might have a replacement clutch of original type with rubber core given how long ago it was parked. if so you will drive about 3 miles before the core implodes. rubber will have disintegrated with age. entire fuel system of hoses etc will be shot. a lot of vacuum lines will have gone hard, maybe not all. throttle body gasket will have gone hard. injectors will be gone. you struggle to find original injectors. guys here know what to sub and where from for a 1.8. fuel pump - will bleed profusely if it even activates. all that comes after what sir andy says about taking care before turning the motor over. depending on what climate/humidity the engine might be fine inside. you never know. a/c vw engines down here in aus, parked up dry, last forever. as others advise re L jet fitted to 1.8s, it is a simpler system that D Jet and not too hard to get to the bottom of. ECU or brain is military spec stuff - overengineered german conservatism. takes a lot to kill one of those off. should be ok unless its been submerged in water or been in a tropical jungle. and you can slightly hot rod a 1.8 to make it breath better as i have discovered from guys here who do it. very subtle mods to the throttle body. brilliant stuff and probably better than carbs to make it brighter. ---------- as an aside - an interesting piece of evidence lying around for mr b ( @JeffBowlsby ) to see in the images. namely the charcoal cannister plumbing for a 1.8. the can looks like its lying loose in the engine when it should be fixed on to a clip or mounting near the ECU or battery tray. but its there. |
Puebloswatcop |
May 21 2021, 06:37 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,389 Joined: 27-December 14 From: Mineola, Texas Member No.: 18,258 Region Association: Southwest Region |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) You're in the right place. This community is amazing. I made a series on 914s for newbies which you may find helpful. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmCYkBdj...PWMX9ecEK-qsKZs Also a bunch of other content on 914s on the channel as well.. Hey Ian, Quick question....Any Idea when part 6 of the 2056 build will come out on you tube? Eagerly awaiting.... |
Puebloswatcop |
May 21 2021, 06:42 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,389 Joined: 27-December 14 From: Mineola, Texas Member No.: 18,258 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Good morning 914 community. I just picked up my first 914, its a 1975 Silver in good condition. I am finding out that 1975 does not require emissions in California so I am conflicted with refurbishing the EFI system or installing carburetors. What are your thoughts? Attached is a picture of the engine bay and it looks a mess, I would like to get carburetors in there but I dont know how bad it will affect the resale value. Also, I will be doing brakes because the car has sat for 31 years and they will need to be upgraded. What s a good bolt on upgrade for the braking and suspension? I hear that some 911 parts will fit and also the e21 320i brakes are a good option. I just don't know what will be the easiest or cost effective upgrade. Thank you all in advance, I look forward to getting my first Porsche on the road not just on the road to recovery (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) You will find a wealth of help and information here. All the members are helpful and legit 914 lovers. Its great that you asked for opinions on your car, only drawback, you might get a hundred different answers. Thats the fun of the 914 and the folks here . (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drunk.gif) |
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