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> 10 HP More, Really?
windforfun
post Sep 24 2021, 02:12 PM
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At least it opens up the engine compartment...


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post Sep 24 2021, 02:15 PM
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Id love to see the back to back dyno results with that one, but i doubt it.

Have seen dyno results from cars with aftermarket FI get more than 10HP over stock through the stock air filter... so not thinking its that much of a restriction.
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post Sep 24 2021, 06:04 PM
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Engine masters has played with this. That God awful 90 degree flat bend over the throttle body can't be good. My old Opel gt had the same crap going on. I would suspect more like 7 hp but it has to be better than what we have.
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post Sep 24 2021, 06:12 PM
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The add says "Gain up to 10HP"!

It also says "A great upgrade for stock or modified engine". So, would this intake setup allow a 10HP gain on a modified engine? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)


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post Sep 24 2021, 06:20 PM
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Here you go.


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post Sep 24 2021, 08:13 PM
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Is that a 1.8 or something from the movie Aliens?
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post Sep 24 2021, 08:17 PM
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QUOTE(emerygt350 @ Sep 24 2021, 07:13 PM) *

Is that a 1.8 or something from the movie Aliens?


It's a "73 1.7. It's from "Prometheus" which is the 5th Aliens movie. BTW, I'm from Rochester & a huge Aliens movie fan. What a trip.

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post Sep 25 2021, 12:27 PM
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post Sep 25 2021, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE(windforfun @ Sep 24 2021, 08:17 PM) *

QUOTE(emerygt350 @ Sep 24 2021, 07:13 PM) *

Is that a 1.8 or something from the movie Aliens?


It's a "73 1.7. It's from "Prometheus" which is the 5th Aliens movie. BTW, I'm from Rochester & a huge Aliens movie fan. What a trip.

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I am down in the southern tier.
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post Sep 25 2021, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE(emerygt350 @ Sep 25 2021, 12:28 PM) *

QUOTE(windforfun @ Sep 24 2021, 08:17 PM) *

QUOTE(emerygt350 @ Sep 24 2021, 07:13 PM) *

Is that a 1.8 or something from the movie Aliens?


It's a "73 1.7. It's from "Prometheus" which is the 5th Aliens movie. BTW, I'm from Rochester & a huge Aliens movie fan. What a trip.

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I am down in the southern tier.


Binghamton? Endicott? Johnson City? I'm out in CA now (since 1980).
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post Sep 25 2021, 05:15 PM
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QUOTE(windforfun @ Sep 25 2021, 04:59 PM) *

QUOTE(emerygt350 @ Sep 25 2021, 12:28 PM) *

QUOTE(windforfun @ Sep 24 2021, 08:17 PM) *

QUOTE(emerygt350 @ Sep 24 2021, 07:13 PM) *

Is that a 1.8 or something from the movie Aliens?


It's a "73 1.7. It's from "Prometheus" which is the 5th Aliens movie. BTW, I'm from Rochester & a huge Aliens movie fan. What a trip.

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I am down in the southern tier.


Binghamton? Endicott? Johnson City? I'm out in CA now (since 1980).

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post Sep 25 2021, 05:16 PM
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Do you guys remember ( I am going to be 69) and the JC Whitney catalog would have ads for hop up items for VWs. This is back in 1968-69. It would say increase power 10%, 15%, 9%.

Besides the HP increases there was the famous rebuild in a can with magic pellets. It said you could get a car to run for 10,000 more

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post Sep 25 2021, 05:25 PM
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QUOTE(EdwardBlume @ Sep 25 2021, 02:27 PM) *

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post Sep 27 2021, 09:56 PM
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QUOTE(emerygt350 @ Sep 24 2021, 05:04 PM) *

Engine masters has played with this. That God awful 90 degree flat bend over the throttle body can't be good. My old Opel gt had the same crap going on. I would suspect more like 7 hp but it has to be better than what we have.


Flat bend, as in this oe 930 intake piece; not a chance; our spec intakes (about 2 dozen models) are mandrel formed -0- deformity or flat contours.
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post Sep 27 2021, 10:05 PM
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NO chance of forming a Flat bend on a Teledyne Pines N°2 rotary hydraulic mandrel machine
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post Sep 27 2021, 10:19 PM
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If I was Porsche, I'd put high flow cone air filters on my Strapping 4.0 flat 6 RS engines as well; wait What, they did ! These appear to be BMC (Italian mfg.)...just follow the aftermarket upgrade trends !
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post Sep 28 2021, 07:20 AM
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Remember, when a part claims "up to" some number of HP gains, all that means is that it COULD cause a change which probably won't exceed 10HP.

That part could cost you -5HP or gain you +1 HP or net you 0HP. And all of that would be covered by the "up to 10HP" claim.

In all reality, it will make your induction louder and thats it. The restriction is the throttle body, not the air intake box.

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post Sep 28 2021, 08:12 AM
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QUOTE(VaccaRabite @ Sep 28 2021, 06:20 AM) *

Remember, when a part claims "up to" some number of HP gains, all that means is that it COULD cause a change which probably won't exceed 10HP.

That part could cost you -5HP or gain you +1 HP or net you 0HP. And all of that would be covered by the "up to 10HP" claim.

In all reality, it will make your induction louder and thats it. The restriction is the throttle body, not the air intake box.

Zach


Your explanation is up to 100% accurate. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)

BTW I have some magic 10mm bolts* that will increase your HP by up to 1000 if you’re interested... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) just $199! As little as $0.50 to infinity per hp!

*I have no data supporting this claim and no one on earth has been successful achieving these results, no documents exist anywhere, BUT YRMV!

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post Sep 28 2021, 08:53 AM
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On the 2.0, the air box channels into a little tiny flat bend over the top of the TB.

This is exactly what engine masters looked at and found not making the air do a 90 before it enters the TB is a good thing. Whether it is worth it on a 90 hp engine? I don't know.

CHeck out the salad bowl.

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post Sep 28 2021, 01:39 PM
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QUOTE(emerygt350 @ Sep 28 2021, 08:53 AM) *

Whether it is worth it on a 90 hp engine? I don't know.


I think they kind of answered it. Even the worst cleaner they tested didn't appear to restrict flow until about 300 hp. I'm thinking a stock cleaner on a stock /4 engine probably isn't leaving much on the table. They also didn't test how well the different options actually filter. Kind of an important part of the equation for longevity. I'm not surprised the K&N on a velocity stack flowed almost as well as just the velocity stack.
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