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Clubsport32
post Nov 7 2021, 01:13 AM
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Hi All

Have seen this on an unrestored car…does anybody have anymore details…? I assume the 022 refers to the 1.7L but what about the other number?

Any insight would be appreciated…thanks

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post Nov 20 2021, 04:58 PM
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@JeffBowlsby

breakthrough?

1. example from your exceptional cars on website.
74 1.8. build early Jan 74. emission sticker is EC-A California + 49 States.

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engine tune sticker. note hoses are shown on these stickers - and indicate whether hose is on or off for setting initial idle. sticker indicates hoses off as per 1.8 tune. only 1 hose is shown.

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2. wonki car.
74 1.8 build end of jan 74. emission sticker is EC-B california + 49 States.

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engine tune sticker. sticker indicates hoses off as per 1.8 tune instructions. 2 hoses are shown. (the sticker is heat/age damaged but you can still see the two hoses).

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i never looked at these things closely before for different VWs. eg examples of tune up stickers for late model buses. these have idle set with hoses on. tune up sticker shows that. dumb cartoons but deadly accurate.



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conclusion.

EC-A (cali + 49 states) has 1 vac hose connected from dist to TB.
which one i am not sure yet, its hard to tell from photos of engine bay of blue 74 on your website.

EC-B (cali + 49 states) has two vacuum hoses connected from dist to TB.
wonki + StarBear cars.
advance dist (left) to advance TB (rear of car). retard dist (right) to retard TB (front of car)


(god is in the details - mies van der rohe (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) )


now whats an EC-B that is only 49 states?
you have one of those stickers on your website.

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EDIT - re marathon blue car on your website mr. b
i have looked hard at the images of the engine bay on your website.
interesting stencilled engine number too - 607 maybe, but first letter is degraded and illegible.
what i can see with a reasonable degree of certainty is that it runs a vacuum hose from the distributor advance side to the TB port facing rear of car (advance at cruise).
BUT thats not what the tune up sticker is saying. its saying one hose only. further disconnect retard hose on distributor at idle tune up setting so thats the only hose. (if there was a second fully connected hose VW practice with the stickers would be to show second hose and to show it connected) which means it should have a hose connected only to the retard side of TB. further its saying there is no advance line connected. (which given other accounts of distributor hoses would mean there was a hose on distributor but it was left lying open and tucked under the dist). so something is inconsistent between sticker and engine as photographed. i doubt anyone would change an emission sticker or a engine tune up sticker. (its possible - however they both look aged/original but in good condition). more likely would be throttle body/vac connection changed/modified along the way.
need other examples to nail this one.
but it is an EC-A stickered car. and tune sticker indicates only vacuum retard activated, not vacuum advance. those two clues are saying that much about an EC-A car.

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Clubsport32   Tinware writing   Nov 7 2021, 01:13 AM
davep   I think most engines had the markings. With all th...   Nov 7 2021, 06:22 AM
StarBear   Those number are quite different than any I’ve s...   Nov 10 2021, 08:02 PM
wonkipop   sure look different to mine too. mine probably loo...   Nov 11 2021, 01:44 AM
StarBear   This is what every one I've ever seen looks li...   Nov 12 2021, 10:29 AM
wonkipop   mine looks like that- sort of. number is 604 inst...   Nov 12 2021, 04:15 PM
StarBear   There was a thread a few months ago. Might make se...   Nov 12 2021, 06:04 PM
davep   I do not believe these were stenciled; it looks mo...   Nov 12 2021, 09:49 PM
wonkipop   I do not believe these were stenciled; it looks m...   Nov 13 2021, 01:34 AM
StarBear   Wow! How do you find this stuff? Great job; ke...   Nov 13 2021, 06:55 AM
wonkipop   its part of my real job - historical research. we...   Nov 13 2021, 03:24 PM
JeffBowlsby   I have a good colleciotn of these on my webpage. ...   Nov 13 2021, 03:39 PM
JeffBowlsby   According to my list: 604 is a 1974 1.8L, but I d...   Nov 13 2021, 03:49 PM
wonkipop   According to my list: 604 is a 1974 1.8L, but I ...   Nov 13 2021, 04:03 PM
wonkipop   According to my list: 604 is a 1974 1.8L, but I ...   Nov 13 2021, 07:35 PM
JeffBowlsby   mr. b, whats the little silver sticker under the...   Nov 13 2021, 08:46 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='2959676' date='Nov 1...   Nov 13 2021, 09:06 PM
JeffBowlsby   an EC-A is a frunk can car with the porsche evap...   Nov 13 2021, 11:04 PM
wonkipop   an EC-A is a frunk can car with the porsche eva...   Nov 14 2021, 12:27 AM
wonkipop   i've seen a snatch of footage where you can se...   Nov 13 2021, 03:59 PM
wonkipop   ok mr. b mine is an EC-B on that sticker. jan 74...   Nov 13 2021, 04:06 PM
StarBear   Yep; just checked sticker: EC-B. States “Califor...   Nov 13 2021, 05:48 PM
wonkipop   Yep; just checked sticker: EC-B. States “Califo...   Nov 13 2021, 06:30 PM
StarBear   i really feel its a batching thing. but thats a...   Nov 14 2021, 11:12 AM
StarBear   Not sure. JEff’s first post indicates 605 EC-B i...   Nov 13 2021, 05:53 PM
wonkipop   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Nov 13 2021, 07:23 PM
JeffBowlsby   Tellin' yah all I know, which isn't sayin...   Nov 13 2021, 08:38 PM
wonkipop   mr b was there any difference between a cali 2.0 ...   Nov 13 2021, 09:16 PM
JeffBowlsby   A conditional yes. Depends on how ‘engine’ is...   Nov 13 2021, 09:45 PM
wonkipop   A conditional yes. Depends on how ‘engine’ i...   Nov 14 2021, 12:36 AM
wonkipop   fascinating. there is nothing in the factory manu...   Nov 13 2021, 10:23 PM
wonkipop   ps @JeffBowlsby . i'm still looking at that ...   Nov 14 2021, 12:33 AM
JeffBowlsby   ps [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.p...   Nov 14 2021, 09:22 AM
wonkipop   ps [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index....   Nov 14 2021, 02:08 PM
wonkipop   ok @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?...   Nov 14 2021, 12:51 AM
JeffBowlsby   Wonk, That page from the 75 S&T manual also i...   Nov 14 2021, 08:40 AM
wonkipop   @JeffBowlsby mr. b i found this in factory manu...   Nov 14 2021, 01:49 PM
StarBear   Here's my engine bay sticker. Clean and clear....   Nov 14 2021, 04:02 PM
JeffBowlsby   1973 1.7L EB code has lower compression, to meet C...   Nov 14 2021, 04:26 PM
wonkipop   1973 1.7L EB code has lower compression, to meet ...   Nov 15 2021, 02:51 AM
wonkipop   1973 1.7L EB code has lower compression, to meet ...   Nov 15 2021, 06:38 AM
JeffBowlsby   914 mysteries continue...   Nov 15 2021, 07:27 AM
StarBear   Good info. @wonkipop looks like your vin number ...   Nov 15 2021, 07:58 AM
wonkipop   Good info. @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/in...   Nov 15 2021, 08:17 PM
wonkipop   @StarBear . mine is 13361 for last 5 digits. [b...   Nov 15 2021, 06:23 PM
JeffBowlsby   Wow...I think you are on to something. I dont knw...   Nov 15 2021, 06:54 PM
StarBear   Wow...I think you are on to something. I dont kn...   Nov 15 2021, 09:13 PM
wonkipop   Wow...I think you are on to something. I dont kn...   Nov 15 2021, 11:19 PM
StarBear   OK; Here are my "unmolested" 1.8L data: ...   Nov 16 2021, 09:04 AM
wonkipop   @StarBear . distributor superseded PN is handy i...   Nov 16 2021, 02:55 PM
StarBear   Yep; my TB is original. Curiosity is telling me to...   Nov 16 2021, 03:48 PM
wonkipop   Yep; my TB is original. Curiosity is telling me t...   Nov 16 2021, 04:36 PM
wonkipop   @StarBear & [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com...   Nov 17 2021, 02:14 AM
StarBear   Awesome investigative work, @wonkipop ! Yep;...   Nov 17 2021, 07:21 AM
wonkipop   Awesome investigative work, @[url=http://www.914...   Nov 17 2021, 04:47 PM
StarBear   Maybe that little “1” I saw was an “L”. Wi...   Nov 17 2021, 05:02 PM
wonkipop   Maybe that little “1” I saw was an “L”. W...   Nov 17 2021, 05:12 PM
StarBear   Maybe that little “1” I saw was an “L”. ...   Nov 17 2021, 08:14 PM
wonkipop   something i got to check is i swear i came across ...   Nov 17 2021, 05:10 PM
wonkipop   i had to reread up how VW parts numbers work again...   Nov 17 2021, 09:42 PM
StarBear   I wonder if (?) the other letters denote the secon...   Nov 18 2021, 07:12 AM
wonkipop   I wonder if (?) the other letters denote the seco...   Nov 18 2021, 04:47 PM
wonkipop   @StarBear . you are right about letters being man...   Nov 19 2021, 10:43 PM
wonkipop   @JeffBowlsby . there are plenty of threads you ca...   Nov 19 2021, 10:49 PM
wonkipop   @StarBear & [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com...   Nov 19 2021, 11:15 PM
wonkipop   @StarBear . further thought on what the H on TB m...   Nov 20 2021, 01:10 AM
wonkipop   difference between a 74 1.8 throttle body and a 75...   Nov 20 2021, 03:10 PM
wonkipop   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Nov 20 2021, 04:58 PM
wonkipop   a bit more information re EC engines in USA cars. ...   Nov 22 2021, 05:49 PM
wonkipop   i did some more trawling through older car ads sti...   Nov 22 2021, 06:35 PM
wonkipop   SUMMARY OF POSITIONS OF VACUUM HOSES BY EXPERTS. ...   Nov 22 2021, 10:40 PM
StarBear   Hmmmm…. Thinking I should add the two unconnecte...   Nov 23 2021, 07:38 AM
wonkipop   @StarBear . depends how fanatical you want to be a...   Nov 23 2021, 03:42 PM
wonkipop   last night i did a bit of reading up on 1973. not...   Nov 23 2021, 04:42 PM
StarBear   My head and brain hurt….. :blink:   Nov 23 2021, 06:59 PM
wonkipop   @StarBear - not as much as mine did trying to wor...   Nov 23 2021, 07:12 PM
wonkipop   @StarBear here is the quick summary version. EC...   Nov 23 2021, 08:16 PM
StarBear   Yep; that sums it up nicely! Interested to see...   Nov 24 2021, 07:52 AM
wonkipop   Yep; that sums it up nicely! Interested to se...   Nov 24 2021, 02:26 PM
StarBear   [quote name='StarBear' post='2962122' date='Nov 2...   Nov 24 2021, 03:12 PM
wonkipop   @StarBear . Found another one that was for sale a...   Nov 24 2021, 05:06 PM
StarBear   More interesting stuff. Found the tuneup sticker t...   Nov 24 2021, 05:37 PM
JeffBowlsby   I dont, sorry. I right click alot and dont recall...   Nov 24 2021, 06:00 PM
StarBear   I dont, sorry. I right click alot and dont recal...   Nov 24 2021, 06:10 PM
wonkipop   I dont, sorry. I right click alot and dont recal...   Nov 24 2021, 08:05 PM
wonkipop   they draw both ports on the dizzy diagrams @StarB...   Nov 24 2021, 07:56 PM
StarBear   A thought- lots of members listing early 74s in th...   Nov 24 2021, 08:20 PM
wonkipop   A thought- lots of members listing early 74s in t...   Nov 24 2021, 09:11 PM
wonkipop   @StarBear found this. maybe of interest. don...   Nov 25 2021, 05:39 AM
StarBear   Interesting. Good idea with the new thread; maybe ...   Nov 25 2021, 07:46 AM
wonkipop   another good one i found digging back into sales a...   Nov 25 2021, 05:26 PM
wonkipop   @JeffBowlsby free first service card. i gu...   Nov 25 2021, 05:40 PM
wonkipop   firm confirmation of plumbing to engine bay charco...   Nov 25 2021, 05:53 PM
wonkipop   14 jan 74 car at top of page is exactly same as mi...   Nov 25 2021, 07:57 PM
wonkipop   @JeffBowlsby after all the info came in from mem...   Dec 16 2021, 04:23 PM
JeffBowlsby   @wonkipop Wonki...Your research is exhaustive, a...   Dec 16 2021, 05:27 PM
StarBear   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Dec 17 2021, 09:23 AM
wonkipop   its still a bit of a speculation. its hard to get...   Dec 16 2021, 07:32 PM
Van B   Strangely enough I have two distinct thoughts as I...   Dec 16 2021, 07:52 PM
JeffBowlsby   The center console /gauges were just an optional e...   Dec 17 2021, 01:03 AM
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