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| 914werke |
 Dec 7 2021, 06:12 PM
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"I got blisters on me fingers"  Group: Members Posts: 10,062 Joined: 22-March 03 From: USofA Member No.: 453 Region Association: Pacific Northwest 
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So Like many here I've been buying & selling these cars for a long while. Was a day when you could go out on a WE pick up a project car for under a 1K (usually under $500) Fix it break it or flip it. Those days seem all but gone (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) After a while the cars start to find you, IE I get calls every week or so with the typical story: the caller has a car their relative left them, or a spouse has passed, they dont know anything about it, & they are not interested in it (ya right (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)), "are you interested in buying it?" ect ect. Many times these are lazy and transparent attempts at value research, some times they are genuine. Shortly ago I got one of these that was 10min from my place, So of course I went to look her over. Having done so countless times I go into these with LOW expectation. This time Im rewarded with a pretty decent car & engage in negotiations. Long story short, this turns out to be one of those genuine stories & I even find the owner of the car posted here prior to his passing. His widow & I agree on a price & this is where the fun starts.. The title is still in his, not his wife's name. Same last name mind you. WE go to a licensing office & even though she has her birth, his death & a marriage certificate ..in hand, they wont transfer title an insist the only way to sell it is to apply (PAY) for a new title in her name THEN transfer (PAY) the title to me. Ok ... no point in arguing stupid bureaucracy. So step 1 & wait for new title to show. In the mean time I pay her for the car & pick it up. Weeks pass & I get a call the title has come in, she mails it to me & I go in to finalize the transfer I have all the necessary paperwork including a bill of sale listing a modest purchase price (side note: this is the MOST Ive ever paid for a 914!!) I watch the agent as her fingers key the necessary detail into the states system, then she grabs a magazine (?) flips thu it finds what shes looking for types it into her system turns to me an advises me the $ amount needed to complete.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yikes.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yikes.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yikes.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yikes.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yikes.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yikes.gif) Apparently WA State in addition to charging me sales tax on the purchase price wants to tax me a "use" tax based on its supposed current valuation~!? The book she referenced was from PriceDigest & is supposedly the same guide the IRS & many other states use for the purpose of figuring out what you got & what its worth. Be careful what you wish for, the somewhat recent increase in interest in our cars has now been realized by agencies interested in emptying our pockets. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) |
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| 914Sixer |
Dec 7 2021, 06:26 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,882 Joined: 17-January 05 From: San Angelo Texas Member No.: 3,457 Region Association: Southwest Region
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Yep, the states is really proud of the the way they figure stuff. Bases information on lala land sales, NOT the real world.
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| KELTY360 |
Dec 7 2021, 07:28 PM
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914 Neferati Group: Members Posts: 5,031 Joined: 31-December 05 From: Pt. Townsend, WA Member No.: 5,344 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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Hey Rich, it used to be you could get a notarized statement from the seller stating the purchase price that would be accepted in lieu of the price guide. Did you ask about alternative pricing sources?
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| 914werke |
Dec 7 2021, 07:58 PM
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"I got blisters on me fingers" Group: Members Posts: 10,062 Joined: 22-March 03 From: USofA Member No.: 453 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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That is for the sales tax. They are using valuation estimates from a data aggregator who sells their info as a subscription. "The Book" I referenced for the USE tax?
They let me peak at it as I was getting agitated when arguing the car's "USE" had been taxed multiple times already in its 50 yrs. The book has 5 classifications for condition from Showroom to parts car. This car I classified as #2 "restorable" & the value they wanted to tax me for was just under $14K even though the the sale price was well south of that. Rant off. |
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| roblav1 |
Dec 7 2021, 08:42 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 528 Joined: 18-September 12 From: KY Member No.: 14,943 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Complete govt. fraud, extortion, racketeering, etc.
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| bkrantz |
Dec 7 2021, 09:17 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,763 Joined: 3-August 19 From: SW Colorado Member No.: 23,343 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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Hey, you don't want Washington to run out of money!
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| Jett |
Dec 7 2021, 10:18 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,638 Joined: 27-July 14 From: Seattle Member No.: 17,686 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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Blah blah Rich, show us pics of the darn car man! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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| theer |
Dec 7 2021, 11:05 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 676 Joined: 31-July 15 From: Dover, MA Member No.: 19,014 Region Association: North East States
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If it makes you feel any better Massachusetts has been doing that for years. There’s a “form” to contest it, but it magically always gets rejected.
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| JeffBowlsby |
Dec 7 2021, 11:22 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,507 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None
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“ Use Tax is defined as a tax on the storage, use, or consumption of a taxable item or service on which no sales tax has been paid. Use tax is a complementary or compensating tax to the sales tax and does not apply if the sales tax was charged.”
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| 914e |
Dec 8 2021, 03:54 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 496 Joined: 21-February 20 From: Arizona Member No.: 23,951 Region Association: Southwest Region
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Washington charges you sales tax and use tax? on a used car? from a private party?
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| dhuckabay |
Dec 8 2021, 04:59 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 222 Joined: 14-June 20 From: Idaho Member No.: 24,379 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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Behind a pick up yesterday with WA plates. Bumpersnicker said, I don't need sex, I get screwed by Inslee every day. I moved from Spokane to Idaho because of this type of bull.
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| Cairo94507 |
Dec 8 2021, 07:30 AM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 9,759 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California
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Yes, by all means, pictures please.
Government is completely out of control and it will not be long before some people will just stop working all together so they do not have to pay the ridiculous taxes we are all being assessed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| DRPHIL914 |
Dec 8 2021, 07:55 AM
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Dr. Phil Group: Members Posts: 5,766 Joined: 9-December 09 From: Bluffton, SC Member No.: 11,106 Region Association: South East States
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QUOTE(JeffBowlsby @ Dec 8 2021, 12:22 AM)  “ Use Tax is defined as a tax on the storage, use, or consumption of a taxable item or service on which no sales tax has been paid. Use tax is a complementary or compensating tax to the sales tax and does not apply if the sales tax was charged.” Salestaxinstutute.com QUOTE(914e @ Dec 8 2021, 04:54 AM) Washington charges you sales tax and use tax? on a used car? from a private party? sounds like double taxation. I cant complain too much, in SC you pay a sales tax that is capped at $300 no matter how much you pay for the car. Then you pay a personal property tax that is yearly and depends ono that same book "valuation", but it drops every year even for older cars and they dont reclassify classics so i pay $25 a year PPTX on the 914, but it can be really expensive for a while if you buy anew car. Also now they increased the cost of a title transfer and/or new title EVEN if its a gift to your kid, they now charge $500 for that title!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif) so on a $1000 value car, like our 2000 528 BMW we were giving our daughter, we have just left it on our insurance and our name on title until they get something else there is no sense in them spending almost $1000 just to change over name/owndership to our kid . they get you one way or the other, |
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| mate914 |
Dec 8 2021, 07:56 AM
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Matt Group: Members Posts: 749 Joined: 27-February 09 From: Eagles mere, PA Member No.: 10,102 Region Association: North East States
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Double taxing is kind of like... Taxing without representing...
They just keep squeezing us until we pop.. Matt (IMG:style_emoticons/default/flag.gif) |
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| rhodyguy |
Dec 8 2021, 08:10 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,080 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
How much did this add to the purchase price? This title transfer matter/format is nothing new. The EXECUTOR of the estate could have 'gifted' you the car. Then all one is responsible for are the actual title transfer fees. BTDT. I gifted a car I owned to a relative. Bummer if you flip the car and get hammered with STCGs on your income taxes. Is 914werke a company with a state biz licience?
I'm more concerned with the effect the explosive valuations of realestate and the potential for an increase in our property (that we will NEVER sell) taxes. If you're unhappy with the state of Washington, there are 49 other states (and U.S. territories) for your relocation desires. |
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| ctc911ctc |
Dec 8 2021, 08:13 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 892 Joined: 9-June 18 From: boston Member No.: 22,206 Region Association: North East States
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Same BS in Taxachusetts - I appealed (there is a process for this) and they, as good bureaucrats, completely ignored me and the process. QUOTE(914werke @ Dec 7 2021, 07:12 PM) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) So Like many here I've been buying & selling these cars for a long while. Was a day when you could go out on a WE pick up a project car for under a 1K (usually under $500) Fix it break it or flip it. Those days seem all but gone (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) After a while the cars start to find you, IE I get calls every week or so with the typical story: the caller has a car their relative left them, or a spouse has passed, they dont know anything about it, & they are not interested in it (ya right (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)), "are you interested in buying it?" ect ect. Many times these are lazy and transparent attempts at value research, some times they are genuine. Shortly ago I got one of these that was 10min from my place, So of course I went to look her over. Having done so countless times I go into these with LOW expectation. This time Im rewarded with a pretty decent car & engage in negotiations. Long story short, this turns out to be one of those genuine stories & I even find the owner of the car posted here prior to his passing. His widow & I agree on a price & this is where the fun starts.. The title is still in his, not his wife's name. Same last name mind you. WE go to a licensing office & even though she has her birth, his death & a marriage certificate ..in hand, they wont transfer title an insist the only way to sell it is to apply (PAY) for a new title in her name THEN transfer (PAY) the title to me. Ok ... no point in arguing stupid bureaucracy. So step 1 & wait for new title to show. In the mean time I pay her for the car & pick it up. Weeks pass & I get a call the title has come in, she mails it to me & I go in to finalize the transfer I have all the necessary paperwork including a bill of sale listing a modest purchase price (side note: this is the MOST Ive ever paid for a 914!!) I watch the agent as her fingers key the necessary detail into the states system, then she grabs a magazine (?) flips thu it finds what shes looking for types it into her system turns to me an advises me the $ amount needed to complete.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yikes.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yikes.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yikes.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yikes.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yikes.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yikes.gif) Apparently WA State in addition to charging me sales tax on the purchase price wants to tax me a "use" tax based on its supposed current valuation~!? The book she referenced was from PriceDigest & is supposedly the same guide the IRS & many other states use for the purpose of figuring out what you got & what its worth. Be careful what you wish for, the somewhat recent increase in interest in our cars has now been realized by agencies interested in emptying our pockets. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) |
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| PanelBilly |
Dec 8 2021, 08:58 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 23-July 06 From: Kent, Wa Member No.: 6,488 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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They need to $ for all the hotels they are buying for the drug addicts to die in.
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| Steve |
Dec 8 2021, 09:05 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,585 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Orange County, CA Member No.: 822 Region Association: Southern California
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Wow!! I'm surprised. I just bought that v8 914 in so cal and I only had to pay sales tax. With California being broke with the highest welfare participants, i am surprised they also don't have something like that. However we now have a whole bunch of other taxes, that makes this the worst place to live.
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| jhynesrockmtn |
Dec 8 2021, 09:06 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 418 Joined: 13-June 16 From: spokane wa Member No.: 20,100 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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Fun stuff isn't it. I'm generally a fairly progressive guy on social issues but Seattle politics is one of the reasons I'm in Spokane and obviously that doesn't allow me to escape this kind of crap. Sounds like a nice car though and at least the title stuff worked out.
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| rhodyguy |
Dec 8 2021, 09:09 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,080 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
The use and sales tax matters are pretty well laid out at dol.wa.gov under 'Use tax for vehicle and boats'.
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