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Flipping the engine while in the stand., Any reasons not to? |
74ravenna |
Apr 7 2022, 12:45 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 471 Joined: 19-October 14 From: nh Member No.: 18,032 Region Association: North East States |
I'm in the process of putting everything back onto my 1.8 long block.
Problem is, when I try to work on the bottom of the engine by scooching down or using a creeper I end up getting dizzy and nauseous as a result of post-concussion syndrome. I'm thinking of flipping the engine over 180 degrees while it's on the stand. It would be so much easier to install parts that way. Especially the Heat Exchangers. Those are a pain in the butt to do upside down. Trying to put the gasket in place, then the exchanger, then the washer and then trying to catch the nut is not fun upside down, especially since I don't have much feeling in my pinky and ring finger on my right hand due to a Ulnar Nerve issue (and I'm right handed)! Anyway, is it difficult to flip the engine? Can any harm be done to the engine by having it upside down? Thanks in advance. |
mepstein |
Apr 7 2022, 01:13 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,272 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
It should flip easily. That’s one of the reasons for a stand.
It’s much easier to install and remove heat exchangers when the engine is upside down in a stand. No harm to the engine. |
74ravenna |
Apr 7 2022, 01:30 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 471 Joined: 19-October 14 From: nh Member No.: 18,032 Region Association: North East States |
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Joe Bob |
Apr 7 2022, 02:47 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Not a problem unless there is oil in the crank case..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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BK911 |
Apr 7 2022, 04:34 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 672 Joined: 19-February 04 From: Rocky Top, TN Member No.: 1,674 Region Association: None |
Can your engine spin on the stand with HX installed?
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PanelBilly |
Apr 7 2022, 06:37 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 23-July 06 From: Kent, Wa Member No.: 6,488 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
I installed my headers on the engine when it was upside down and then discovered I couldn't turn it over because the headers hit the arm on the stand. Had to take one side off and flip it over. It was one of those times I had to laugh out loud at muself for the stupidly.
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nditiz1 |
Apr 7 2022, 06:44 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,188 Joined: 26-May 15 From: Mount Airy, Maryland Member No.: 18,763 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Can your engine spin on the stand with HX installed? If you got 2 extra pistons you can (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
bkrantz |
Apr 7 2022, 08:28 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,766 Joined: 3-August 19 From: SW Colorado Member No.: 23,343 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I hope flipping the engine is OK. I probably rotated mine at least 100 times while building it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)
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Spoke |
Apr 7 2022, 11:33 PM
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Jerry Group: Members Posts: 6,978 Joined: 29-October 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 3,031 Region Association: None |
Can your engine spin on the stand with HX installed? @BK911 I could not spin the engine after installing the heat exchangers when buttoning up the engine. I thought about installing the HEs after assembly but didn't want to work upside down on the engine. So it took 3 of us to hold onto the long block + HEs to remove it from the stand and put it on a furniture dolly for final assembly. |
74ravenna |
Apr 8 2022, 05:15 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 471 Joined: 19-October 14 From: nh Member No.: 18,032 Region Association: North East States |
Not a problem unless there is oil in the crank case..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Thanks Joe Bob. Member #5 with over 17,000 posts....impressive! Can your engine spin on the stand with HX installed? I never thought of that. This is why I asked the question, to head off any problems I hadn't thought of, and that's a problem! I installed my headers on the engine when it was upside down and then discovered I couldn't turn it over because the headers hit the arm on the stand. Had to take one side off and flip it over. It was one of those times I had to laugh out loud at muself for the stupidly. I've been laughing at myself a lot lately......and swearing. |
barefoot |
Apr 8 2022, 07:56 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,274 Joined: 19-March 13 From: Charleston SC Member No.: 15,673 Region Association: South East States |
I installed my headers on the engine when it was upside down and then discovered I couldn't turn it over because the headers hit the arm on the stand. Had to take one side off and flip it over. It was one of those times I had to laugh out loud at muself for the stupidly. Yes, can install 1 H/E with engine fully upside down, then can do the 2nd one with engine partially tilted on stand, better than working fully upside down. |
barefoot |
Apr 8 2022, 07:57 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,274 Joined: 19-March 13 From: Charleston SC Member No.: 15,673 Region Association: South East States |
I installed my headers on the engine when it was upside down and then discovered I couldn't turn it over because the headers hit the arm on the stand. Had to take one side off and flip it over. It was one of those times I had to laugh out loud at muself for the stupidly. Yes, can install 1 H/E with engine fully upside down, then can do the 2nd one with engine partially tilted on stand, better than working fully upside down. |
bdstone914 |
Apr 8 2022, 08:04 AM
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bdstone914 Group: Members Posts: 4,522 Joined: 8-November 03 From: Riverside CA Member No.: 1,319 |
I'm in the process of putting everything back onto my 1.8 long block. Problem is, when I try to work on the bottom of the engine by scooching down or using a creeper I end up getting dizzy and nauseous as a result of post-concussion syndrome. I'm thinking of flipping the engine over 180 degrees while it's on the stand. It would be so much easier to install parts that way. Especially the Heat Exchangers. Those are a pain in the butt to do upside down. Trying to put the gasket in place, then the exchanger, then the washer and then trying to catch the nut is not fun upside down, especially since I don't have much feeling in my pinky and ring finger on my right hand due to a Ulnar Nerve issue (and I'm right handed)! Anyway, is it difficult to flip the engine? Can any harm be done to the engine by having it upside down? Thanks in advance. @74ravenna It depends on the stand. It it only attaches to the top two points on the case it can bend the yoke when flipped. It happened to me. Was a cheap yoke. I rotate them 90 degrees to install the heat exchangers. I pinch the copper gaskets slightly out of round so the stay in place and use flanged nuts rather than washers |
74ravenna |
Apr 8 2022, 08:57 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 471 Joined: 19-October 14 From: nh Member No.: 18,032 Region Association: North East States |
I'm in the process of putting everything back onto my 1.8 long block. Problem is, when I try to work on the bottom of the engine by scooching down or using a creeper I end up getting dizzy and nauseous as a result of post-concussion syndrome. I'm thinking of flipping the engine over 180 degrees while it's on the stand. It would be so much easier to install parts that way. Especially the Heat Exchangers. Those are a pain in the butt to do upside down. Trying to put the gasket in place, then the exchanger, then the washer and then trying to catch the nut is not fun upside down, especially since I don't have much feeling in my pinky and ring finger on my right hand due to a Ulnar Nerve issue (and I'm right handed)! Anyway, is it difficult to flip the engine? Can any harm be done to the engine by having it upside down? Thanks in advance. @74ravenna It depends on the stand. It it only attaches to the top two points on the case it can bend the yoke when flipped. It happened to me. Was a cheap yoke. I rotate them 90 degrees to install the heat exchangers. I pinch the copper gaskets slightly out of round so the stay in place and use flanged nuts rather than washers 90 degrees is certainly better than where it's at now. I did buy some flanged nuts for this task....thanks. Are folks annealing the copper washers or using any type of sealant? |
930cabman |
Apr 8 2022, 01:50 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,064 Joined: 12-November 20 From: Buffalo Member No.: 24,877 Region Association: North East States |
Ditto to Joe |
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