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> OT: Plane crash at Toronto (Pearson) airport, Air France A-340
Mark Henry
post Aug 2 2005, 03:29 PM
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Burning on the side of the 401...overshot the runway in a lightning storm.

Could be 200 on board...hope it's not too bad. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif)

That's all I know...Canadians tune into CBC news for details.
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post Aug 2 2005, 03:32 PM
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Air France flight 358
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post Aug 2 2005, 03:34 PM
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My moto if it aint a Boeing I aint going. I WILL NOT get on a scare bus fly by wire is DUMB OK for the military but not comercial A/C (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/screwy.gif) . I hope not too many hurt or worse (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif)
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post Aug 2 2005, 03:39 PM
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micro bursts are equal opportunity distroyers. they showed the weather radar at the time of the crash. little yellow lots of orange and red.

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post Aug 2 2005, 03:44 PM
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They're reporting there were no fatalities. That's tremendous!!!!!
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post Aug 2 2005, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE (spare time toys @ Aug 2 2005, 02:34 PM)
if it aint a Boeing I aint going.  I WILL NOT get on a scare bus.
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looks like they all got out ...
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post Aug 2 2005, 04:00 PM
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For 14 years I spent 6 months a year outside the USA traveling. I regularly changed my schedule flight if the equipment was a Airbus 300 series. Very poor safety record!
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post Aug 2 2005, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE (SirAndy @ Aug 2 2005, 04:48 PM)
QUOTE (spare time toys @ Aug 2 2005, 02:34 PM)
if it aint a Boeing I aint going.  I WILL NOT get on a scare bus.
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looks like they all got out ...
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I have worked on Airbus and Boeing and I will not get on an Airbus. Remember the airshow when the 340 first came out? Low level pass infront of the crowd Capt. gasses it to go around the computers wanted to land He could not override the computer it stayed at the same altitude and it went into the trees. On Boeing you have cables going out to flight controlls not a little wire going to a servo (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/screwy.gif) We are going to FADEC [fly by wire motors] fuel controlls on our newer A/C but still have good old cables going to primary flight elements.
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post Aug 2 2005, 04:19 PM
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I thought the 777 was all fly-by-wire??
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post Aug 2 2005, 04:24 PM
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QUOTE (xitspd @ Aug 2 2005, 03:00 PM)
Very poor safety record!

"The A300-600, which entered service in 1984, is used by 27 airlines. At the end of last month 242 planes were operated by airlines.
The latest crash brings the number of Airbus crashes in the last 13 years to 12, but as one plane takes off every 10 seconds, its safety record is good."

i smell a flame-war ...
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post Aug 2 2005, 04:29 PM
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to include a wto grievance and subsidy brawl. i'm staying out of it.

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post Aug 2 2005, 04:43 PM
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i smell a flame-war ...


Don't worry you have big enough boots. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)
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post Aug 2 2005, 04:44 PM
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I don't work on commercial aircraft (but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif) ), but the main purpose of fly-by-wire control in fighter aircraft is because they're inherently unstable designs. No chance of a fighter pilot keeping it under control without it. Not so with commercial aircraft. So I'm with Larry on this one, total FBW control is a bad idea.

[totally unbiased Boeing employee opinion] (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)
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post Aug 2 2005, 04:52 PM
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CNN says"hit by lightning.."..fried by wire.. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif)

ot/ ??? what is the Bioshere III buzzard..???
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post Aug 2 2005, 05:09 PM
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QUOTE (LongARM @ Aug 2 2005, 04:52 PM)
CNN says"hit by lightning.."..fried by wire.. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif)

ot/ ??? what is the Bioshere III buzzard..???

Kind of like a man-made reef for fish......except the '75 provides a sheltered breeding ground for mice, squirrels, a couple of varieties of birds, hundreds of spiders and biting/stinging insects, a family of skunks (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/icon8.gif) , a big ugly 'possum [recently evicted], and a racoon that startled the living shit out of me (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) when I lifted the tarp to see if the suspension consoles were worth cutting off.......nope (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif) .

Diversity and harmony all in 40 cubic feet.

Which reminds me....I've got to pull the tranny out of it for my '74. Time to break out the bug bombs and .22..........."Cover me boys, I'm goin' in!" (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/gunner.gif)
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post Aug 2 2005, 05:11 PM
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Sorry about, the (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/hijacked.gif)

Glad it wasn't a real tragedy!
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post Aug 2 2005, 05:14 PM
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ok thanx ....thought maybe it was solar or hydrogen or hellium .....ha (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/burnout.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/burnout.gif)

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post Aug 2 2005, 05:22 PM
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I fly into that airport several times a month. A couple of weeks ago my flight was stuck on the ground in Montreal for a couple of hours because of bad weather there. Was a little pissed at the time (only a little). Now I truly understand. Glad everybody got out.
Dunno if I'll see any wreckage next time in Toronto.
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post Aug 2 2005, 05:24 PM
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Fly by wire also prevents the pilot from overstressing the airframe (easy to do to an airliner at higher speeds) or inducing accelerated stalls. Both designs have their benefits and dissadvantages.

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post Aug 2 2005, 05:28 PM
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QUOTE (airsix @ Aug 2 2005, 05:24 PM)
Fly by wire also prevents the pilot from overstressing the airframe (easy to do to an airliner at higher speeds) or inducing accelerated stalls.  Both designs have their benefits and dissadvantages.

-Ben M.

I don't know about that Ben. That's exactly what brought down the Airbus in NY. They hit the wash of an earlier launch, yawed, over corrected, and busted the tail off. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif)
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