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Blue6
post May 29 2022, 08:39 PM
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Attached Image was moving into my new garage/shop and found some old racing memories. Earned me a checkered that day, but had a home track advantage. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)
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Opinions follow...

As much as I'd love to see a 914 competitive in Prod, I think out would HAVE to be a labor of love. Here's the results from the 2023 Runoffs (check out that guy in an EP Civic that only made it 1-1/4 laps):

https://www.scca.com/pages/2023-scca-runoffs-results

E Production: Big engines class. 2.5L BMWs. Maybe a Z car with a Rebello engine (if it were driven well, unlike the ones I was racing with mid-pack). 2nd-gen Mazda RX-7s driven particularly well (like Hainsworth's). Your engine builder will be your best friend (and you, his).

I just don't see a 4-banger full-prep Type 4 2L bringing the kind of numbers needed to compete in EP, especially since the '24/'25 Runoffs are at America's Dyno, Road America. Even with a 600# weight advantage - assuming you can get it down to 1800-ish with driver - you're going to need 225+ ponies to compete. And it'll be fragile.

As noted above, Kip van Steenburg has a 2L 6-banger that's showing potential, but it's fragile: it appeared at the 2021 and 2022 Runoffs but was withdrawn during the test days. Watch for that car to eventually get sorted and maybe John Hainsworth driving it.

F Production: Miatas and Hondas/Acuras. Miatas bring the handling and braking, Honda brings the power.

IMO, it's a tough row to hoe for the 914. The 1.8L full-prep 914 has neither the power of the Hondas nor the handling/braking of the Miatas. You can run alternate brakes now in Prod (+2% weight) but you're still scrapping against those two marques.

The limited-prep 2L may have a chance, given it's allowed dual Webers/Dells. Can you get a reliable 150hp for its 2030# (with driver; 2083# with alternate gear ratios)? But it's all limited prep, so think Improved Touring spec chassis with slicks.

H Production: SCCA finally allowed 2L engines into HP, and the water-cooled VWs are shining there. Chris Schaafsma has won HP two years on the trot, and he has a really well built, and well-driven, Golf. Steve Sargis in the full-prep Triumph is always in the mix, as is Vesa Siligren in the limited-prep Honda CRX.

But SCCA is only allowing the 1.8L 914 into HP right now, and only at Limited Prep -- and you have to keep the fuel injection (though it can be Microsquirted). That's basically Improved Touring-spec with cams. MAYBE the 1.8L limited prep has a chance in HP at 2100# (2153# if you swapped out factory gear ratios)? It would take a dedicated effort, I think, to fully develop the car - as noted it's basically a strong IT effort on slicks.

I think that SCCA would eventually allow the LP 2L into HP, but someone needs to drive one in FP to demonstrate it. My historics racer is an ex-ITA prep chassis and the engine is very much within the specs of Limited Prep Prod. I have no idea what my plans are for '24 but maybe I'll buy/borrow an AIM Solo (it's what SCCA uses), get the engine dyno'd and the car weighed, and run a couple Regionals to send that data to the CRB for consideration. We'll see...

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Blue6   Memory lane   May 29 2022, 08:39 PM
VegasRacer   SPEC-RX7 was the most fun, most competitive and le...   May 30 2022, 10:56 AM
Blue6   John, I could not agree with you more. Moving up i...   May 30 2022, 01:29 PM
VegasRacer   What yrs did you compete, and did you ever make ...   May 30 2022, 09:19 PM
brant   Pretty cars I bought and started to build a spec ...   May 30 2022, 03:16 PM
Blue6   Brant, it’s to bad you didn’t get a chance to ...   May 30 2022, 09:58 PM
VegasRacer   C Sports Racer. :headbanger: Now that's a Re...   May 30 2022, 10:35 PM
ChrisFoley   Hmm, I had a pretty good year on track in 2004. Th...   Jun 2 2022, 11:36 AM
Charles Freeborn   Hmm, I had a pretty good year on track in 2004. T...   Sep 30 2023, 10:43 AM
ChrisFoley   What would the engine specs be now-a-days to com...   Oct 16 2023, 05:51 PM
GregAmy   There may be more than one preparation spec for F...   Oct 25 2023, 12:57 PM
Charles Freeborn   There may be more than one preparation spec for ...   Oct 26 2023, 08:53 AM
stownsen914   Misread the most recent posts. I thought you guys ...   Oct 26 2023, 12:03 PM
Charles Freeborn   Misread the most recent posts. I thought you guys...   Oct 26 2023, 06:01 PM
ChrisFoley   Maybe someday Chris will sell me that 1.8L... - ...   Oct 26 2023, 05:40 PM
slivel   PCA Club Race at Calclub Speedway in 2003.   Jun 2 2022, 12:06 PM
stownsen914   @vegasracer I like the RX7. I see the Dave Turner...   Jun 8 2022, 08:57 PM
seanery   Great thread guys - we all had so much fun back th...   Sep 28 2023, 10:11 PM
rhodyguy   Would the Weber venturis be measured or would the ...   Oct 16 2023, 08:32 AM
ChrisFoley   Would the Weber venturis be measured or would the...   Oct 16 2023, 05:53 PM
stownsen914   Each vintage org does it differently, but many wil...   Oct 17 2023, 09:24 AM
Charles Freeborn   Took another read through the rule book and at bes...   Oct 25 2023, 10:10 AM
GregAmy   Opinions follow... As much as I'd love to see...   Oct 27 2023, 07:33 AM
jd74914   E Production: Big engines class. As noted above...   Oct 30 2023, 12:45 PM
stownsen914   Any idea whatever happened to Erik Madsen's (...   Nov 1 2023, 06:02 AM
Charles Freeborn   Opinions follow... As much as I'd love to se...   Oct 30 2023, 05:17 PM
Thorshammer   Hello Everyone! Sorry, a little late to the p...   Nov 11 2023, 09:35 PM
Thorshammer   Oh, and the 2.0 six is not fragile in anyway, shap...   Nov 11 2023, 09:37 PM
Brett W   I am with Greg, I gave up on the idea of building ...   Nov 22 2023, 04:38 PM


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