FIXED Window not rolling up (early '73). |
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FIXED Window not rolling up (early '73). |
DC_neun_vierzehn |
Jul 4 2022, 08:22 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 378 Joined: 16-November 20 From: Delaware Shore Member No.: 24,893 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I tried searching, but didn't find anything in the first few pages of the search results.
I thought I would check with the community here before I go through the process of taking off the door cards to try to diagnose the issue and potentially need new parts (e.g., clips) just to get them back on. I have an early '73 (build date of Dec '72). My passenger side window does not roll up at all. It started slipping the last couple of times I drove the car when I attempted to roll it up, but now it's not rolling up at all (it's completely down and inside the door). The driver side is now starting to slip as well and I suspect it will also be inoperable soon. Based on your experience, what is the likely culprit here? If it's a simple part or two, before removing the door cards, I would place an order for the part(s) along with other door/window bits I should replace while I have the cards off. Thanks in advance. |
mgphoto |
Jul 4 2022, 09:15 AM
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"If there is a mistake it will find me" Group: Members Posts: 1,339 Joined: 1-April 09 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 10,225 Region Association: Southern California |
Depends on the window lift mechanism, early or late, you’re on the cusp.
Both have plastic bits that are replaceable now. Remove the door panels and see which version you have and order the parts. |
mepstein |
Jul 4 2022, 09:36 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,274 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
It’s usually the plastic window buttons on an early door. The mechanism gets stiff and they get worn. No matter early or late, lube up all the sliding parts so there is less stress on the parts. That’s also the go to for the entire car. All the latches and cables.
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Mikey914 |
Jul 6 2022, 12:02 AM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,669 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None |
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DC_neun_vierzehn |
Jul 2 2023, 07:39 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 378 Joined: 16-November 20 From: Delaware Shore Member No.: 24,893 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
UPDATE:
I removed the door card on the passenger side ... looks like the glass came out of bracket/brace it's supposed to sit in, which is why it's not rolling up. It looks like the PO tried gluing it in, but it came undone. Question #1: I know when the changed over in '73 some were still getting early model door and window parts before they completely converted to late model updates. Can someone confirm I have late doors AND late window parts? I'd like to get a 914 Rubber door kit, but want to make sure I have a completely late car setup. Question #2: What is the proper was to reattach the glass to that bracket? I'm going to clean all of that old glue off and do this properly. |
ClayPerrine |
Jul 2 2023, 07:45 AM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,470 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
I have an early '73 (built in late '72) I removed the door card on the passenger side ... looks like the glass came out of bracket/brace it's supposed to sit in, which is why it's not rolling up. It looks like the PO tried gluing it in, but it came undone. Question #1: I know when the changed over in '73 some were still getting early model door and window parts before they completely converted to late model updates. Can someone confirm I have late doors AND late window parts? I'd like to get a 914 Rubber door kit, but want to make sure I have a completely late car setup. Question #2: What is the proper was to re-attache the glass to that bracket? I'm going to clean all of that old glue off and want to do this right. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thisthreadisworthlesswithoutpics.gif) |
DC_neun_vierzehn |
Jul 2 2023, 08:11 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 378 Joined: 16-November 20 From: Delaware Shore Member No.: 24,893 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I have an early '73 (built in late '72) I removed the door card on the passenger side ... looks like the glass came out of bracket/brace it's supposed to sit in, which is why it's not rolling up. It looks like the PO tried gluing it in, but it came undone. Question #1: I know when the changed over in '73 some were still getting early model door and window parts before they completely converted to late model updates. Can someone confirm I have late doors AND late window parts? I'd like to get a 914 Rubber door kit, but want to make sure I have a completely late car setup. Question #2: What is the proper was to re-attache the glass to that bracket? I'm going to clean all of that old glue off and want to do this right. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thisthreadisworthlesswithoutpics.gif) I had included pics. Not sure what happened to them ... but I re-added them to the post ; ) |
Dlee6205 |
Jul 2 2023, 08:17 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 45 Joined: 9-December 22 From: Burnsville, NC Member No.: 27,017 Region Association: South East States |
1. It looks like you have a later door without the inner reinforcement. The late kit seems correct.
2. Not sure the “correct” stuff but I would use glass urethane adhesive. |
DC_neun_vierzehn |
Jul 2 2023, 09:47 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 378 Joined: 16-November 20 From: Delaware Shore Member No.: 24,893 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
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technicalninja |
Jul 2 2023, 11:33 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,233 Joined: 31-January 23 From: Granbury Texas Member No.: 27,135 Region Association: Southwest Region |
I've used windshield adhesive to repair side windows to track attachment before.
Make damn sure it's where you want it because after that stuff cures it's not coming back out... Once the tube is opened it's gone. I've never been able to reseal it well enough to not have it harden. https://www.amazon.com/3M-08693-Urethane-Wi...367895&th=1 Others on the forum might have better (less permanent) solutions and I will be watching for replies |
r_towle |
Jul 2 2023, 02:06 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States |
You have the later window mechanism as stated above.
No idea on the “right” glue Do silicone the front rubber channel liberally It makes going up and down much easier and won’t pull the glass out of the track again. |
DC_neun_vierzehn |
Jul 2 2023, 02:18 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 378 Joined: 16-November 20 From: Delaware Shore Member No.: 24,893 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Thanks for the info so far.
I removed the the window regulator from the door. I need to remove the bracket from it that should be attached to the bottom of the window. Question: I see the two rollers that most folks replace (mine are t broken but they have a lot of play and a little bit of wear. But what about that third roller that’s actually a ball joint inside of that plastic square. Can’t that thing be replaced, too? I would imagine that wears out on the inside from the friction/contact. |
Literati914 |
Jul 2 2023, 03:34 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,461 Joined: 16-November 06 From: Dallas, TX Member No.: 7,222 Region Association: Southwest Region |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) I got the same issue on a door and will need to do whatever fixes yours
Please keep us posted.. . |
Mikey914 |
Jul 3 2023, 02:14 AM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,669 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None |
This is what we make. Will take so.e pressure to pop on, C clamp works well.
https://914rubber.com/search/?q=scissor%20type%20regulator Attached thumbnail(s) |
DC_neun_vierzehn |
Jul 3 2023, 07:32 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 378 Joined: 16-November 20 From: Delaware Shore Member No.: 24,893 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
This is what we make. Will take so.e pressure to pop on, C clamp works well. https://914rubber.com/search/?q=scissor%20type%20regulator So is this is the replacement for the rollers marked 1 and 2 in my pic, right? Do you have anything that will replace the square plastic thingy that snaps over the metal ball joint (number 3 in my pic)? |
Mikey914 |
Jul 4 2023, 12:40 AM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,669 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None |
No, sorry. We had not seen enough go bad to make them…..yet.
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DC_neun_vierzehn |
Jul 29 2023, 09:22 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 378 Joined: 16-November 20 From: Delaware Shore Member No.: 24,893 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
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DC_neun_vierzehn |
Jul 29 2023, 09:35 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 378 Joined: 16-November 20 From: Delaware Shore Member No.: 24,893 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Problem with the triangle window seal though.
As you can see, my old triangle seal (the one that's removed) had a large slot in the bottom for the triangle window support brace, but the new seal does not. The new seal is from 914 Rubber, but even the OEM Porsche triangle window seals available don't have that slot ... nor do other aftermarket options. All triangle window seals appear to be one size fits all 70-76 with no variations. Again, my 914 is an early '73 (built in 11/72). Any insights here? |
DC_neun_vierzehn |
Jul 30 2023, 09:53 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 378 Joined: 16-November 20 From: Delaware Shore Member No.: 24,893 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Here’s another pic of that bracket/support that requires a slot in the seal. I watched Ian’s video on door seals and the bracket/support on his ‘74 does not have a fin like mine and therefore the seal worked perfect as is for him.
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SteveL |
Jul 30 2023, 10:10 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 658 Joined: 7-August 03 From: Andover, MN Member No.: 991 Region Association: None |
Side Comment...
That is the cleanest damn inner door shell I have ever seen. |
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