FIXED Window not rolling up (early '73). Options

[DC_neun_vierzehn]

I tried searching, but didn't find anything in the first few pages of the search results.

I thought I would check with the community here before I go through the process of taking off the door cards to try to diagnose the issue and potentially need new parts (e.g., clips) just to get them back on.

I have an early '73 (build date of Dec '72). My passenger side window does not roll up at all. It started slipping the last couple of times I drove the car when I attempted to roll it up, but now it's not rolling up at all (it's completely down and inside the door). The driver side is now starting to slip as well and I suspect it will also be inoperable soon.

Based on your experience, what is the likely culprit here?

If it's a simple part or two, before removing the door cards, I would place an order for the part(s) along with other door/window bits I should replace while I have the cards off.

Thanks in advance.

[mgphoto]

Depends on the window lift mechanism, early or late, you’re on the cusp.
Both have plastic bits that are replaceable now.
Remove the door panels and see which version you have and order the parts.

[mepstein]

It’s usually the plastic window buttons on an early door. The mechanism gets stiff and they get worn. No matter early or late, lube up all the sliding parts so there is less stress on the parts. That’s also the go to for the entire car. All the latches and cables.

[Mikey914]

This
https://914rubber.com/early-window-regulator-button-1

[DC_neun_vierzehn]

UPDATE:

I removed the door card on the passenger side ... looks like the glass came out of bracket/brace it's supposed to sit in, which is why it's not rolling up. It looks like the PO tried gluing it in, but it came undone.

Question #1: I know when the changed over in '73 some were still getting early model door and window parts before they completely converted to late model updates. Can someone confirm I have late doors AND late window parts? I'd like to get a 914 Rubber door kit, but want to make sure I have a completely late car setup.

Question #2: What is the proper was to reattach the glass to that bracket? I'm going to clean all of that old glue off and do this properly.

[ClayPerrine]

I have an early '73 (built in late '72)

I removed the door card on the passenger side ... looks like the glass came out of bracket/brace it's supposed to sit in, which is why it's not rolling up. It looks like the PO tried gluing it in, but it came undone.

Question #1: I know when the changed over in '73 some were still getting early model door and window parts before they completely converted to late model updates. Can someone confirm I have late doors AND late window parts? I'd like to get a 914 Rubber door kit, but want to make sure I have a completely late car setup.

Question #2: What is the proper was to re-attache the glass to that bracket? I'm going to clean all of that old glue off and want to do this right.

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[DC_neun_vierzehn]

I have an early '73 (built in late '72)

I removed the door card on the passenger side ... looks like the glass came out of bracket/brace it's supposed to sit in, which is why it's not rolling up. It looks like the PO tried gluing it in, but it came undone.

Question #1: I know when the changed over in '73 some were still getting early model door and window parts before they completely converted to late model updates. Can someone confirm I have late doors AND late window parts? I'd like to get a 914 Rubber door kit, but want to make sure I have a completely late car setup.

Question #2: What is the proper was to re-attache the glass to that bracket? I'm going to clean all of that old glue off and want to do this right.

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I had included pics. Not sure what happened to them ... but I re-added them to the post ; )

[Dlee6205]

1. It looks like you have a later door without the inner reinforcement. The late kit seems correct.

2. Not sure the “correct” stuff but I would use glass urethane adhesive.

[DC_neun_vierzehn]

Glass out, if that helps with answering the questions I asked above.

[technicalninja]

I've used windshield adhesive to repair side windows to track attachment before.

Make damn sure it's where you want it because after that stuff cures it's not coming back out...

Once the tube is opened it's gone. I've never been able to reseal it well enough to not have it harden.

https://www.amazon.com/3M-08693-Urethane-Wi...367895&th=1

Others on the forum might have better (less permanent) solutions and I will be watching for replies

[r_towle]

You have the later window mechanism as stated above.

No idea on the “right” glue

Do silicone the front rubber channel liberally
It makes going up and down much easier and won’t pull the glass out of the track again.

[DC_neun_vierzehn]

Thanks for the info so far.

I removed the the window regulator from the door. I need to remove the bracket from it that should be attached to the bottom of the window.

Question: I see the two rollers that most folks replace (mine are t broken but they have a lot of play and a little bit of wear. But what about that third roller that’s actually a ball joint inside of that plastic square. Can’t that thing be replaced, too? I would imagine that wears out on the inside from the friction/contact.

[Literati914]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) I got the same issue on a door and will need to do whatever fixes yours
Please keep us posted..


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[Mikey914]

This is what we make. Will take so.e pressure to pop on, C clamp works well.

https://914rubber.com/search/?q=scissor%20type%20regulator

[DC_neun_vierzehn]

This is what we make. Will take so.e pressure to pop on, C clamp works well.

https://914rubber.com/search/?q=scissor%20type%20regulator

So is this is the replacement for the rollers marked 1 and 2 in my pic, right?

Do you have anything that will replace the square plastic thingy that snaps over the metal ball joint (number 3 in my pic)?

[Mikey914]

No, sorry. We had not seen enough go bad to make them…..yet.

[DC_neun_vierzehn]

Ok. I got the old rollers off and new rollers on. That was easy.

[DC_neun_vierzehn]

Problem with the triangle window seal though.

As you can see, my old triangle seal (the one that's removed) had a large slot in the bottom for the triangle window support brace, but the new seal does not.

The new seal is from 914 Rubber, but even the OEM Porsche triangle window seals available don't have that slot ... nor do other aftermarket options. All triangle window seals appear to be one size fits all 70-76 with no variations.

Again, my 914 is an early '73 (built in 11/72).

Any insights here?

[DC_neun_vierzehn]

Here’s another pic of that bracket/support that requires a slot in the seal. I watched Ian’s video on door seals and the bracket/support on his ‘74 does not have a fin like mine and therefore the seal worked perfect as is for him.

[SteveL]

Side Comment...
That is the cleanest damn inner door shell I have ever seen.