27,000 mile original '74 on BaT, This will be interesting Options

[wonkipop]

PS @Big Len .

have you seen the rolling assembly of 1974 1.8 litres of rust that has just gone up on BAT.

there is a video of them driving it.!!!!!

i can't believe it goes. even sounds good. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

pure rust belt and woody allen in the cave with a VW stuff.

[bbrock]

I'm the same way with numbers matching and date codes. I just don't care. If it's somebodies thing, great but it does nothing for me.

Gotta strongly disagree here. IMO numbers matching is way more important for determining value. Why? Because my car has matching numbers. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)

[Big Len]

Excellent discussion with differing opinions.
My ego won't be crushed if I'm way off base, but it just shows how far our car's values have finally been realized.

[Superhawk996]

Excellent discussion with differing opinions.
My ego won't be crushed if I'm way off base, but it just shows how far our car's values have finally been realized.

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[EdwardBlume]

I’ll make a guess on the price tomorrow or so.

Anytime I see a listing for an undocumented low mileage car I think of the the word sucker. An oil change tag on the door jamb is not documentation. The estate that sold it to the first flipper could have typed out details to the best of their recollection.

Looks pretty but all of the interior bits look like that if it was original and garaged 28 or 128. My car at 74k or so looked like that inside (same color) and it wasn’t garaged the whole time.

Add a flipper and you might as well as get a free T shirt that says “I got to make a buck” but it’s really meant to tie around your waist.

Good luck to the buyer, he or she will need it.

[Jett]

Excellent discussion with differing opinions.
My ego won't be crushed if I'm way off base, but it just shows how far our car's values have finally been realized.

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+1 this is the only site I know of where a robust discussion about our cars can be had!

[Jett]

My car “shows” nearly 20k miles - but I have the maintenance records, gas logs, and repair bills to prove it’s 120k! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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You are rightfully proud of those miles that have been earned though real world use.

Personally, I don't understand all the fuss over low mileage collector pieces. Let's just say for a moment that it really was an original 28K mile car. What does that really imply?

That means the "value" in the car is related to its low mileage. So now someone will have paid a premium on an otherwise nice car, just for the low mileage. Any subsequent mileage just means massive depreciation per mile added. So unless that buyer is going to throw away the mileage valuation, it can't be driven and enjoyed without destroying the low mileage premium that might be expected in the future.

We are are all have our own things that stir our souls. Parking a car in the garage an polishing it until the paint wears thin isn't mine. God bless those that find joy in just looking at a car. . . . but I don't get it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) we have a real documented 73 Scout in the garage with 2900 miles… the interior looks like it has never been sat in, and the body is 99% perfect. No rust, no road dirt or debris. Although we have a couple of over restored cars they are all driven regularly, but cannot bring myself to drive the Scout. The Scout is a paper weight that takes up a garage space (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

I had a paper weight in my garage years ago, that took up the space of three 914s. The car was near perfect, but an American piece of iron. I sold it. THEN I regretted it. 15 years later I bought it back in much worse shape and felt so bad for the car that I spent (back then) 30 thousand restoring it. It sits in my third bay at home, I hardly EVER drive it, and my wife complains that it takes up garage space. I will have it until I die, and the day after my wife will sell it!

My car “shows” nearly 20k miles - but I have the maintenance records, gas logs, and repair bills to prove it’s 120k! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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You are rightfully proud of those miles that have been earned though real world use.

Personally, I don't understand all the fuss over low mileage collector pieces. Let's just say for a moment that it really was an original 28K mile car. What does that really imply?

That means the "value" in the car is related to its low mileage. So now someone will have paid a premium on an otherwise nice car, just for the low mileage. Any subsequent mileage just means massive depreciation per mile added. So unless that buyer is going to throw away the mileage valuation, it can't be driven and enjoyed without destroying the low mileage premium that might be expected in the future.

We are are all have our own things that stir our souls. Parking a car in the garage an polishing it until the paint wears thin isn't mine. God bless those that find joy in just looking at a car. . . . but I don't get it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) we have a real documented 73 Scout in the garage with 2900 miles… the interior looks like it has never been sat in, and the body is 99% perfect. No rust, no road dirt or debris. Although we have a couple of over restored cars they are all driven regularly, but cannot bring myself to drive the Scout. The Scout is a paper weight that takes up a garage space (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Superhawk996]

I will have it until I die, and the day after my wife will sell it!

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) I suspect we all have something in our lives like that.

My wife will do the same thing with my motorcycles and the 914 too since she won't drive a manual transmission.

[930cabman]

I will have it until I die, and the day after my wife will sell it!

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) I suspect we all have something in our lives like that.

My wife will do the same thing with my motorcycles and the 914 too since she won't drive a manual transmission.

I recently sold a 356 paper weight, mostly original, maybe took her out once or twice a year. I sold her to an old guy and he just loves it.

And our wives keep us around with this nonsense.

[wonkipop]

Excellent discussion with differing opinions.
My ego won't be crushed if I'm way off base, but it just shows how far our car's values have finally been realized.

i hope you prove my opinion wrong. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[wonkipop]

I certainly believe the miles, just has had a hard hard life, maybe sitting in humidity, banged around, not maintained one bit, used as a storage shelf ETC.

Case in point, that dark green 914-6 John Forbes found with only 5100 miles on it: A hard one to believe the miles, but evidently well documented, yet we have it here parked next to a TRUE 5400 mile 71 six, and the difference is MORE than day and night. So is our 1974 light ivory "stripper" 1.8 that exactly matches this olympic blue car. DAY and NIGHT difference, as both of our cars were taken well care of and radiate low miles, where the blue one and the dark green six do not

i am prepared to answer this question and take it on.

sure, one variety answers the aesthetic/appearance idea. ie it looks right or gives us an idea of the past visually.

but drive either of them and that bit will deliver the feel of the past.
you can drive this blue car up for sale.

so that is where i would challenge you dr. 914.

see, i am into the technological idea of history.
and also ageing.
i really don't give so much creedance to visuals.

i never like to talk about what i do as a day to day job.
but ...........its part of the issue of what i do every day.

i'm thinking restorations have zero value in historical terms.
there is only the original. period.
a resto is made up.
thats not to devalue, because sometimes a resto is all there is.

the best BF 109 is down here in aus. in visual terms. and also by luck technoligal terms.
its breath taking, if i could be humble enough to summarise a war artefact.
it is straight from the russian front as a war prize and it hangs in our war memorial museum. its the only one. a big fat one. the rest are restos.

i like the idea you have a white 74 1.8L jet in your collection.
one thing but.
you need to take those fuchs off it and stick the star steelies back on it.
get serious.
we are talking the birth of L jetronic.
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[Big Len]

@wonkipop - An interesting point no doubt. That Messerschmitt that's hanging in the museum is truly original, true. It has the same tires, the same fluids, the same wearable components as when it left the battlefield, but the difference is it will never be airworthy and fly again. It will stay suspended on cables until the museum director decides to move or sell it.
But I do agree if George's 74 stays in a static display, it should be wearing steelies.

[wonkipop]

@wonkipop - An interesting point no doubt. That Messerschmitt that's hanging in the museum is truly original, true. It has the same tires, the same fluids, the same wearable components as when it left the battlefield, but the difference is it will never be airworthy and fly again. It will stay suspended on cables until the museum director decides to move or sell it.
But I do agree if George's 74 stays in a static display, it should be wearing steelies.

yep, its got to have those steelies.

and here is to 1.8s Len. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[Big Len]

I don't know why I so fascinated with this sale, maybe because it's a 74 and a 1.8 like mine, but 2 other clues that hint toward a very low mileage car.
The seat belt buckles are in very good shape with the word "PUSH" on the female end a bright orange. Most have faded in the sun and yes, I know you could get replacements, but I would think very few would go to that level or even realize that they are faded. It's a tiny clue saying that this car was out of the sun and in storage for a long time.
A much better clue are the front tits. If you don't own a 73 or 74, you may not realize that the leading edge of the car are the vertical surfaces of those bumpettes. They are usually riddled with small imperfections from stone and bug hits. The ones on this car are pristine. Now, I guess you could try and fix them or buy new ones from somewhere, but again, to go to that level of noticing that detail and faking mileage would be rare. I just know from my own car that it's an indicator of mileage.
I'll shut up now.

[bbrock]

I don't know why I so fascinated with this sale, maybe because it's a 74 and a 1.8 like mine, but 2 other clues that hint toward a very low mileage car.
The seat belt buckles are in very good shape with the word "PUSH" on the female end a bright orange. Most have faded in the sun and yes, I know you could get replacements, but I would think very few would go to that level or even realize that they are faded. It's a tiny clue saying that this car was out of the sun and in storage for a long time.

This could be easily verified with better pics of the buckles. The stickers actually say "PRESS" and the "R" is wrong on all the replacements I've found so you can easily tell if they are after market.

[Jett]

[quote name='Big Len' date='Aug 5 2022, 06:01 AM' post='3020590'
I don't know why I so fascinated with this sale, maybe because it's a 74 and a 1.8 like mine, but 2 other clues that hint toward a very low mileage car.
The seat belt buckles are in very good shape with the word "PUSH" on the female end a bright orange. Most have faded in the sun and yes, I know you could get replacements, but I would think very few would go to that level or even realize that they are faded. It's a tiny clue saying that this car was out of the sun and in storage for a long time.
A much better clue are the front tits. If you don't own a 73 or 74, you may not realize that the leading edge of the car are the vertical surfaces of those bumpettes. They are usually riddled with small imperfections from stone and bug hits. The ones on this car are pristine. Now, I guess you could try and fix them or buy new ones from somewhere, but again, to go to that level of noticing that detail and faking mileage would be rare. I just know from my own car that it's an indicator of mileage.
I'll shut up now.
[/quote]
I think this is a fine assessment and not sure what the mileage is… but I have two NOS sets of the bumperettes… a few years ago paid $200 for them.

There are many new parts on this car.

[930cabman]

I'm the same way with numbers matching and date codes. I just don't care. If it's somebodies thing, great but it does nothing for me.

Gotta strongly disagree here. IMO numbers matching is way more important for determining value. Why? Because my car has matching numbers. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)

Also agree, I have a sweet 930 clone cab but nobody wants it. Porsche people are funny sometimes about this kind of stuff.

Bidding is only an hour or so to close and the numbers appear safe for a buyer

[DRPHIL914]

[quote name='Jett' date='Aug 5 2022, 10:15 AM' post='3020606']
[quote name='Big Len' date='Aug 5 2022, 06:01 AM' post='3020590'
I don't know why I so fascinated with this sale, maybe because it's a 74 and a 1.8 like mine, but 2 other clues that hint toward a very low mileage car.
The seat belt buckles are in very good shape with the word "PUSH" on the female end a bright orange. Most have faded in the sun and yes, I know you could get replacements, but I would think very few would go to that level or even realize that they are faded. It's a tiny clue saying that this car was out of the sun and in storage for a long time.
A much better clue are the front tits. If you don't own a 73 or 74, you may not realize that the leading edge of the car are the vertical surfaces of those bumpettes. They are usually riddled with small imperfections from stone and bug hits. The ones on this car are pristine. Now, I guess you could try and fix them or buy new ones from somewhere, but again, to go to that level of noticing that detail and faking mileage would be rare. I just know from my own car that it's an indicator of mileage.
I'll shut up now.
[/quote]
I think this is a fine assessment and not sure what the mileage is… but I have two NOS sets of the bumperettes… a few years ago paid $200 for them.

There are many new parts on this car.
[/quote]

This car is local to me , but i have never seen it out at any of our cars and coffee meets etc.. I believe this owner has a v8 conversion car that was at last month's cars and coffee. He has a very nice '69 Camaro too if i am correct, among other cars.

if you end up winning the car and coming down to get it let me know!!

Phil

[Superhawk996]

The fat lady has sung.



Good price for a very nice car but reflecting that it is not a 28K original mile survivor.

Hopefully someone actually drives and enjoys it for what it is. Car is gorgeous as a driver and a very nice period piece - hopefully it doesn't show back up on BAT in a few months with the next flipper.