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WE HAVE BEEN INSULTED!, On Youtube! |
ClayPerrine |
Sep 1 2022, 01:18 PM
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Watch, and prepare to be angry! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)
You don't even have to watch the whole thing. Just the first segment on the 70s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_CmDK5m8yc Please make your comments known in this alleged car expert's video channel. |
DRPHIL914 |
Sep 20 2022, 08:09 AM
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Dr. Phil Group: Members Posts: 5,766 Joined: 9-December 09 From: Bluffton, SC Member No.: 11,106 Region Association: South East States |
She described the subject's 914 as a "... glorified VW in Porsche clothing...." A pretty hefty insult allowed by the editorial staff at Pano. i believe she drives around in a porsche SUV. what is a cayenne? a glorified audi Q8? what is an audi Q8? a glorified VW toureg? who built the platform model as the basis of all present day VW group (empire?) manufacturing. f. piech. what was his first road car project? the 914? lyn whatever is fairly typical of journalists. stuck in their present with no history and even less sense of the future - just jabbering cliches. the world is full of them covering every subject from military conflicts to dishwashers. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) every time i hear or read a comment like that i think about all the parts of modern Porsche not made by porsche or made in Germany or US, and not even assembled in the main facilities in Germany, including the Boxsters in Finland , and we could go on and on on how stupid that is. Really it should have been caught by editor, but if this it now the standard at PANO , and their just employing Hack-for-hire journalists , yep im ready to cancel mine as well, but they need to know its not just a small slight and you are talking about a car that basically saved that company from extinction!, sold 118,000 cars. i guess if he reads these comments and if more current members that are now buying and paying $100k for a 914 say something maybe we see an editor note in the next months magazine and just maybe she's done writing for PANO. |
bbrock |
Sep 20 2022, 09:34 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,269 Joined: 17-February 17 From: Montana Member No.: 20,845 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
every time i hear or read a comment like that i think about all the parts of modern Porsche not made by porsche or made in Germany or US, and not even assembled in the main facilities in Germany, including the Boxsters in Finland , and we could go on and on on how stupid that is. Really it should have been caught by editor, but if this it now the standard at PANO , and their just employing Hack-for-hire journalists , yep im ready to cancel mine as well, but they need to know its not just a small slight and you are talking about a car that basically saved that company from extinction!, sold 118,000 cars. i guess if he reads these comments and if more current members that are now buying and paying $100k for a 914 say something maybe we see an editor note in the next months magazine and just maybe she's done writing for PANO. I think an article that walks through just how much VW or Porsche is in a 914/4 would be quite interesting. We already know that 100% of the design was Porsche, including the Type IV engine. That is even before Hans Mezger tweaked it for the 2.0L. VWs design contributions were to cut costs and cheapen the car like use rear drum brakes instead of disc which Porsche vetoed. The parts count would be quite interesting. Mostly it is just switches, light fixtures, and seat belts outside the Porsche-designed VW engine. Even the instrument cluster and ventilation controls are Porsche. I don't know how you categorize brakes and steering rack which have VW part numbers but are from the same OEM with identical design and function to Porsche counterparts. And IIRC, there are a couple VW parts that were shared with the 356. Once you cataloged all the parts that are shared with other Porsche models along with parts unique to the 914 with 914.xxx part numbers, I doubt you'd have even 20% VW content. Nothing against VW parts at all, but the fact is that I don't think the 914 borrowed from the VW parts bin nearly as much as the media has led people to believe from the time the model was first introduced. Better yet, somebody should pull all the VW parts out of a 914/4 and weigh them. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) |
wonkipop |
Sep 20 2022, 04:48 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,264 Joined: 6-May 20 From: north antarctica Member No.: 24,231 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
every time i hear or read a comment like that i think about all the parts of modern Porsche not made by porsche or made in Germany or US, and not even assembled in the main facilities in Germany, including the Boxsters in Finland , and we could go on and on on how stupid that is. Really it should have been caught by editor, but if this it now the standard at PANO , and their just employing Hack-for-hire journalists , yep im ready to cancel mine as well, but they need to know its not just a small slight and you are talking about a car that basically saved that company from extinction!, sold 118,000 cars. i guess if he reads these comments and if more current members that are now buying and paying $100k for a 914 say something maybe we see an editor note in the next months magazine and just maybe she's done writing for PANO. I think an article that walks through just how much VW or Porsche is in a 914/4 would be quite interesting. We already know that 100% of the design was Porsche, including the Type IV engine. That is even before Hans Mezger tweaked it for the 2.0L. VWs design contributions were to cut costs and cheapen the car like use rear drum brakes instead of disc which Porsche vetoed. The parts count would be quite interesting. Mostly it is just switches, light fixtures, and seat belts outside the Porsche-designed VW engine. Even the instrument cluster and ventilation controls are Porsche. I don't know how you categorize brakes and steering rack which have VW part numbers but are from the same OEM with identical design and function to Porsche counterparts. And IIRC, there are a couple VW parts that were shared with the 356. Once you cataloged all the parts that are shared with other Porsche models along with parts unique to the 914 with 914.xxx part numbers, I doubt you'd have even 20% VW content. Nothing against VW parts at all, but the fact is that I don't think the 914 borrowed from the VW parts bin nearly as much as the media has led people to believe from the time the model was first introduced. Better yet, somebody should pull all the VW parts out of a 914/4 and weigh them. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) well - if you count the body as VW (i think karmann was owned by VW at that point) you could probably put the porsche parts in your coat pocket and walk away comfortably. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) the journalists for the most part (not historians) seem to ignore that up until the crisis of circa 1971 porsche was basically the design and engineering bureau for VW. VW had only a modest design/engineering department. so how much porsche is in a beetle? if you measure it by intellectual effort which doesn't have a molecular weight its going to be a bit hard to come up with content figure. but what you can say.........prior to WW2, porsche himself was imbedded inside VW at wolfsburg, or as it was known then by a group of goose steppers - Stadt des Kdf-Wagen! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) porsche wasn't just an engineer, he was a political operator - he managed to get a certain vegetarian to fund his operation as a state financed industrial giant? and....he sat right at the centre of it in a design bureau. losing the war kind of ruined that business idea. sort of. for a short time (in historical terms). and created the curiosity of a sports car cottage industry as a diversion project to legitimise a design consultancy to..............VW. the history from 1945 to about 5 years ago is still to be written properly? though its been sketched out a few times. and it does not involve convoluted arguments that try to convince us that a 911 is a medieval teapot rather than a 20th century industrial object. what am i saying? you can't unpick VW from porsche and vice versa. and why would you? its an idiot project fit only for journalists to even try. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
bbrock |
Sep 20 2022, 11:03 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,269 Joined: 17-February 17 From: Montana Member No.: 20,845 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
well - if you count the body as VW (i think karmann was owned by VW at that point) you could probably put the porsche parts in your coat pocket and walk away comfortably. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Well if you did that, you would have to count the 356, 911, 912, and 968s they built as VWs too. That should get some panties in a wad. QUOTE you can't unpick VW from porsche and vice versa. and why would you? And this is a subject that deserves a series of articles. It's why the 914 is so fascinating because any examination of its NARPness forces one to face the false distinction between the two marques. |
wonkipop |
Sep 21 2022, 12:25 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,264 Joined: 6-May 20 From: north antarctica Member No.: 24,231 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
well - if you count the body as VW (i think karmann was owned by VW at that point) you could probably put the porsche parts in your coat pocket and walk away comfortably. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Well if you did that, you would have to count the 356, 911, 912, and 968s they built as VWs too. That should get some panties in a wad. QUOTE you can't unpick VW from porsche and vice versa. and why would you? And this is a subject that deserves a series of articles. It's why the 914 is so fascinating because any examination of its NARPness forces one to face the false distinction between the two marques. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) i do count them as VWs. -----been doing it for years every time a smart alec in a 356C tells me i'm driving a VW and to go park it somewhere else. yep. as far as i am concerned there is no distinction. its a made up idea. f piech would probably agree if he was still around to yell at us. he closed the circle in the end? it took him about 60 years to get it all wrapped up right back where his grandfather had started it. whatever the porschephiles might think? probably why shortly after doing so he went off to the restaurant, enjoyed a file meal and decided to call it all quits on the pleasure of earthly delights. nothing left to do? mission accomplished! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif) always had a soft spot for the audi spyder concept back in 90. probably because of the door handles. either piech was having a joke on the side or having something serious to say 30 years after the event. i understand his mother personally intervened to beg him not to build it. |
bbrock |
Sep 21 2022, 07:15 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,269 Joined: 17-February 17 From: Montana Member No.: 20,845 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
always had a soft spot for the audi spyder concept back in 90. probably because of the door handles. either piech was having a joke on the side or having something serious to say 30 years after the event. i understand his mother personally intervened to beg him not to build it. I'm inclined to think he had something serious to say. There is so much more 914 in that car than just the door handles. It's dripping with heritage. A pity it wasn't made but also the right decision not to do so I suppose. I'm sure you've seen this, but this is a fantastic article on the subject. "Today nobody seems to know if the idea came from Porsche or Audi, but there was serious discussion between Ingolstadt and Weissach, Porsche s research centre, regarding Porsche producing two versions of the quattro Spyder. The first, of course, was the Audi; the second was to be a Porsche. This would be history repeating itself: from 1969 to ’76, VW/Porsche built and sold the mid-engined 914 in four-cylinder VW form and with a flat-six for Porsche, both developed at Weissach by Ferdinand Piech, who then worked for the family firm. And the idea would presumably keep Louisa Piech happy." I take this as more strong evidence that the 914 was no redheaded step child. Piech was still chasing his mid-engine production car and Porsche was entertaining the idea of repeating the 914 experience. And let's be honest. That car looks like a modernized 914 - especially from the rear. |
wonkipop |
Sep 22 2022, 01:23 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,264 Joined: 6-May 20 From: north antarctica Member No.: 24,231 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
always had a soft spot for the audi spyder concept back in 90. probably because of the door handles. either piech was having a joke on the side or having something serious to say 30 years after the event. i understand his mother personally intervened to beg him not to build it. I'm inclined to think he had something serious to say. There is so much more 914 in that car than just the door handles. It's dripping with heritage. A pity it wasn't made but also the right decision not to do so I suppose. I'm sure you've seen this, but this is a fantastic article on the subject. "Today nobody seems to know if the idea came from Porsche or Audi, but there was serious discussion between Ingolstadt and Weissach, Porsche s research centre, regarding Porsche producing two versions of the quattro Spyder. The first, of course, was the Audi; the second was to be a Porsche. This would be history repeating itself: from 1969 to ’76, VW/Porsche built and sold the mid-engined 914 in four-cylinder VW form and with a flat-six for Porsche, both developed at Weissach by Ferdinand Piech, who then worked for the family firm. And the idea would presumably keep Louisa Piech happy." I take this as more strong evidence that the 914 was no redheaded step child. Piech was still chasing his mid-engine production car and Porsche was entertaining the idea of repeating the 914 experience. And let's be honest. That car looks like a modernized 914 - especially from the rear. thanks for the link @bbrock . i enjoyed reading that article which i had not come across before. but probably not as much as f piech enjoyed building the concept car and inflicting discomfort on his past tormentors who by that time were well and truly looking at the end of a cul-de-sac. in 1990 porsche were just building the 964. released initially (at least down here in aus) as only 4wd. audi quatto anyone? when was that again. 1980! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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