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| LouCity914 |
 Oct 27 2022, 11:12 AM
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Newbie  Group: Members Posts: 23 Joined: 27-October 22 From: Louisville, KY Member No.: 26,950 Region Association: None  |
QUOTE(LouCity914 @ Oct 27 2022, 11:09 AM)  QUOTE(beech4rd @ Oct 27 2022, 11:01 AM) Welcome to the World, from a former, and now fully recovered, MGB owner. I suspect that your 1973 roller is actually a 1975 model year car- the bumpers give it away. The third number in the VIN will be 5 if it's a '75, 3 if it's a '73. Chris Thanks for the clarification - I can spot a pull handle MGB MK1 from a mile away... still learning the 14 but love the simplicity of the unibody compared to the B's for sure. Though I suspect Porsche never match the simplicity of an 1800! Just two different experiences! Cheers, Todd Then the 2.0 was likely out of the 75 as it were. Not matching numbers but, it would have made scence. Though I suppose and model will fit 1.7 - 2.0? |
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| burton73 |
Oct 27 2022, 11:43 AM
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burton73 Group: Members Posts: 3,555 Joined: 2-January 07 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 7,414 Region Association: Southern California 
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| kerensky |
Oct 27 2022, 12:14 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 531 Joined: 1-February 06 From: Norman, OK Member No.: 5,508 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(LouCity914 @ Oct 27 2022, 12:12 PM) Then the 2.0 was likely out of the 75 as it were. Not matching numbers but, it would have made scence. Though I suppose and model will fit 1.7 - 2.0? Yes. Otherwise I expect the smaller motor would've been the 1.8 with L-Jet, and not the older 1.7 motor. The engine architecture is basically the same so swapping them around isn't a big deal. Lots of little things don't swap between motors tho, like heat exchangers/exhaust, intakes/injection, etc., at least not without some shenanigans involved. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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| LouCity914 |
Oct 28 2022, 07:24 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 23 Joined: 27-October 22 From: Louisville, KY Member No.: 26,950 Region Association: None |
I realize I may need to do somer serious non-emotional evaluation of the car. The now verified 75 is in much nicer shape... I'll start cutting and see just how bad the bad is... I understand that there is a point at which the car is worth more in parts than the time to fix it correctly.
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| bbrock |
Oct 28 2022, 08:10 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,269 Joined: 17-February 17 From: Montana Member No.: 20,845 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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QUOTE(LouCity914 @ Oct 28 2022, 07:24 AM) I understand that there is a point at which the car is worth more in parts than the time to fix it correctly. True, but the tipping point depends on how you value the time you will donate to the project. With parts available today, you can break even restoring some surprisingly deteriorated hulks as long as it is a labor of love and you do it all yourself. Looks like a couple of cool projects. I thought the Chalon's were really cool when I was a kid. I'm not sure it was "common" to install those kits, but they were popular. Probably a number of reasons people did them but one reason a person would consider chopping half the body off a car would be after extensive damage. I'd keep that in mind as you evaluate. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) |
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| emerygt350 |
Oct 28 2022, 08:25 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,147 Joined: 20-July 21 From: Upstate, NY Member No.: 25,740 Region Association: North East States |
Well, at least the fiber-glass didn't rust. Truthfully, if you have a rusted hulk and you want to return it to nice you would probably have to replace the quarters anyway. On a Chalon half the job is done!
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| LouCity914 |
Oct 28 2022, 12:09 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 23 Joined: 27-October 22 From: Louisville, KY Member No.: 26,950 Region Association: None |
Thanks everyone and I needed that encouragement. I swept the first bucket of rust off the garage floor last night... always a "what have you done moment." But then the glimpse of an old Racer X poster caught my eye from one of the many shabby bit on the walls of my shop... inspiration. There is was.
I consider my time therapy (and some say I need a lot) So, that being said, I think of the money I'm saving! I will probably press forward, simpley because this car is really only half a car rust battle wise. The time I devote to the frame will be extensive but, from there up, it's all fiberglass work (I cut my teeth on that years ago). Well except for the hood and rotten doors, lol. And I look at it as way to improve my welding skills and fabrication chops without a super investment in the car. So it's all upside. I think she could be a very nice candidate for a swop and fun driver - so I may want to do that. Put the 2.0 back in the 75 and spend some real money there. I have my 16 year old dismantling that car (bagging parts and labeling). He's in love. That project can take 2 or three years, I'm ok with that and love passing on the skills. I wish my father had taught me to shape metal and weld... we'll see if it can pull him away from driving virtual super cars online. Though I did see him in the seat of the rusty 75 with that smile... the three gauge dial... the period gauges at eye level, the seats. The 914 is Racer X! |
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| LouCity914 |
Nov 2 2022, 05:17 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 23 Joined: 27-October 22 From: Louisville, KY Member No.: 26,950 Region Association: None |
And so it begins. I've learned over my years of restoration to always assume it's worse than it appears. This car was no exception. I got her blocked up and the wheels removed this weekend so I could start the exam.
https://share.icloud.com/photos/02fa8iszk3wpzTUhd11LdPrKQ https://share.icloud.com/photos/07btphv5kr4ofUcrHjYfM0cQw https://share.icloud.com/photos/098jJ8eB8NnmN_ZnQgpNk8cuQ I will need to remove the entire kit. It appears that whoever added it didn't prep the areas where the fenders and other pieces were attached. The result - rust on all metal where the Chalan kit is attached. I had a hunch the was the case when I purchased it. In the end, it will make the job easier as I can prep and paint the fenders (at least the prep) off the car. And once removed I'll be able to have full access to the tub - without having to cut the original medal fenders off (someone did the before me). If I have to cut the fiberglass - no big deal (resin, cloth, filler, sand, sand, sand). At least ir will cut the metal work down. I'm curious if anyone else has had the experience of removing and re-attaching a kit? Cheers |
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| Freezin 914 |
Nov 2 2022, 06:09 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 875 Joined: 27-July 14 From: Wisconsin Member No.: 17,687 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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My prediction of your future, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/type.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/type.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/first.gif) Welcome to the sickness! |
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| LouCity914 |
Nov 2 2022, 07:14 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 23 Joined: 27-October 22 From: Louisville, KY Member No.: 26,950 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Freezin 914 @ Nov 2 2022, 06:09 AM) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) My prediction of your future, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/type.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/type.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/first.gif) Welcome to the sickness! Pretty much nailed it. Is it wrong that I actually love the challenge? I was born with a grinder in my right hand! Also, can someone explain how to insert photos directly here? The only option I seem to have is linking them. This project will have lots of pics! Cheers and thanks for not being one of those people who insult you on your project before they know a thing about your experience. Notice the 67 MGB in the background,,, I've seen rust that most would run away from... |
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| emerygt350 |
Nov 2 2022, 07:36 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,147 Joined: 20-July 21 From: Upstate, NY Member No.: 25,740 Region Association: North East States |
Ouch, that looks pretty rough. Have you looked into aftermarket stock fenders? If I were in your position, I would probably want to go back to stock or flares (just to make life easy). Problem is, last time I checked, the aftermarket fenders were very expensive. Others know more on that than I do.
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| LouCity914 |
Nov 2 2022, 07:46 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 23 Joined: 27-October 22 From: Louisville, KY Member No.: 26,950 Region Association: None |
I'm going to try to salvage these fiberglass fenders and re-condition them. Even if I have to cut them off, fiberglass work is easy cheesy as long as I can keep them together for the most part. This is going to be a budget build. I'll save my big $ for another, less far gone car.
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| dstudeba |
Nov 2 2022, 09:18 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 118 Joined: 3-December 21 From: San Diego Member No.: 26,128 Region Association: Southern California
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| LouCity914 |
Nov 2 2022, 10:34 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 23 Joined: 27-October 22 From: Louisville, KY Member No.: 26,950 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(dstudeba @ Nov 2 2022, 09:18 AM) Thank you - I should have investigated a bit more. |
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| LouCity914 |
Nov 2 2022, 10:42 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 23 Joined: 27-October 22 From: Louisville, KY Member No.: 26,950 Region Association: None |
This picture really tells the story:
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| VaccaRabite |
Nov 2 2022, 12:04 PM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,465 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
QUOTE(LouCity914 @ Nov 2 2022, 09:46 AM) I'm going to try to salvage these fiberglass fenders and re-condition them. Even if I have to cut them off, fiberglass work is easy cheesy as long as I can keep them together for the most part. This is going to be a budget build. I'll save my big $ for another, less far gone car. I've had to learn this lesson a few times. But you save money in the long term buying the less rusty car... Someone had a not-rusty roller here last week they wanted to get rid of. Buy it and transfer the good stuff over. You will be SO FAR ahead in the long term. With either of the 2 cars you have now, there is going to be a lot of (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif) and (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) before its (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rocking nana.gif) . Zach |
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| LouCity914 |
Nov 2 2022, 12:16 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 23 Joined: 27-October 22 From: Louisville, KY Member No.: 26,950 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(VaccaRabite @ Nov 2 2022, 12:04 PM) QUOTE(LouCity914 @ Nov 2 2022, 09:46 AM) I'm going to try to salvage these fiberglass fenders and re-condition them. Even if I have to cut them off, fiberglass work is easy cheesy as long as I can keep them together for the most part. This is going to be a budget build. I'll save my big $ for another, less far gone car. I've had to learn this lesson a few times. But you save money in the long term buying the less rusty car... Someone had a not-rusty roller here last week they wanted to get rid of. Buy it and transfer the good stuff over. You will be SO FAR ahead in the long term. With either of the 2 cars you have now, there is going to be a lot of (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif) and (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) before its (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rocking nana.gif) . Zach Understood. I don't mind the work as it keeps me sane. |
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| LouCity914 |
Nov 2 2022, 12:55 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 23 Joined: 27-October 22 From: Louisville, KY Member No.: 26,950 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(LouCity914 @ Nov 2 2022, 12:16 PM) QUOTE(VaccaRabite @ Nov 2 2022, 12:04 PM) QUOTE(LouCity914 @ Nov 2 2022, 09:46 AM) I'm going to try to salvage these fiberglass fenders and re-condition them. Even if I have to cut them off, fiberglass work is easy cheesy as long as I can keep them together for the most part. This is going to be a budget build. I'll save my big $ for another, less far gone car. I've had to learn this lesson a few times. But you save money in the long term buying the less rusty car... Someone had a not-rusty roller here last week they wanted to get rid of. Buy it and transfer the good stuff over. You will be SO FAR ahead in the long term. With either of the 2 cars you have now, there is going to be a lot of (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif) and (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) before its (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rocking nana.gif) . Zach Understood. I don't mind the work as it keeps me sane. A roller would be a good option, don't get me wrong. Just going to dive in a little deeper - there is a point at which this could be an option. But, for now my time is mine alone and I enjoy the challenge. |
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| bbrock |
Nov 2 2022, 01:04 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,269 Joined: 17-February 17 From: Montana Member No.: 20,845 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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QUOTE(LouCity914 @ Nov 2 2022, 07:14 AM) Is it wrong that I actually love the challenge? Probably, but I share your disease. I'd much rather save a basket case than buy something in great condition. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif) Carry on! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) |
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| KELTY360 |
Nov 2 2022, 01:04 PM
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914 Neferati Group: Members Posts: 5,036 Joined: 31-December 05 From: Pt. Townsend, WA Member No.: 5,344 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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Understood. I don't mind the work as it keeps me sane. [/quote] Let me get this straight; You 'graduated' from rusty MGBs to rusty 914s and you expect us to believe you're sane? I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to buy a boat from you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) BTW, around here, sanity isn't a requirement. |
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