Repairing the AC hole, Fitting and welding Options

[Deusexmachina77]

Hello,

Does someone have a photo of a finished repair to the AC hole?
I'm taking a welding class, and this will be my first project.
1. Should I try a butt weld or do an overlap?
2. I'm not going for a Concours job. Someone else would be doing it if I were, but I would like it to look decent and not look like a hack job.
3. Where should I try to blend this in?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I figure if I mess it up I can then hire someone to bail me out.

Many thanks for considering my request.

Victor

[930cabman]

My vote would be 100% butt weld. take you time fitting the new panel with a very small gap and TIG her together, taking time to avoid distortion.

[Superhawk996]

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Butt weld.

Lap joints on body work are a sign of a low quality repair. Lap welds create future corrosion when moisture gets trapped between the layers of the lap.

Where to trim is highly dependent on how your original sheet metal is below the panel. Generally try to trim to keep as much OEM metal and just fill the hole that AC damage created.

I’d suggest something in the area roughly smaller than the red lines if your OEM metal is still there and solid.

[friethmiller]

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Make sure the existing metal is good and trim the repair panel down (not the other way around). Use these type of clamps (or the like) to ensure the proper gap for weld penetration and to keep the panels even.

[rhodyguy]

Have you removed the red cover yet? The hole is smaller than you think. It’s myriad of other holes, AC lines, that are time consuming. Is your engine tin and shelve still cut for the compressor?

[Deusexmachina77]

My vote would be 100% butt weld. take you time fitting the new panel with a very small gap and TIG her together, taking time to avoid distortion.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) Thank you!

[Deusexmachina77]

Have you removed the red cover yet? The hole is smaller than you think. It’s myriad of other holes, AC lines, that are time consuming. Is your engine tin and shelve still cut for the compressor?

@rhodyguy , I haven't removed it yet. The hack job on the long is going to be the hardest I think. The engine tin is gone but getting replaced with the rebuild I'm having done.
I don't know about the shelf. Thank you.

[Deusexmachina77]

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Make sure the existing metal is good and trim the repair panel down (not the other way around). Use these type of clamps (or the like) to ensure the proper gap for weld penetration and to keep the panels even.

@friethmiller , Thanks for the tip. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif)

[Deusexmachina77]

@Superhawk996 , Thank you! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif)

[914GT]

Here are a few shots from a restore project 10 years ago, if it's of any help. There were a lot of other holes in the wheelwell and long that had to be welded in, but the trunk was the most work.

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[Montreal914]

I am currently restoring my 914 and she is where I am learning how to weld (every weld along the way) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif). My MIG is a basic 110V Lincoln with gas and 0.025" wire. I have read a lot about everything I could find here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) and watched a lot of YouTube videos on welding.

I have butt welded almost every part I have replaced on my car and take my sweet time making sure the new part is almost perfect to the opening. I did try the clamps shown above but I find they leave quite a gap between the two pieces which can create holes if you weld like me... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) . I am sure a good welder can go at it all day without any issues though. I prefer having the two parts touching or practically. I use magnets or any method to make sure the panels are in the same plane, then tack.

From what I have experienced, the more time you spend on preparing a panel that fits perfectly, the easier it will be to weld it in.

Good luck! It is a wonderful feeling to install a new panel in! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif)

[930cabman]

I am currently restoring my 914 and she is where I am learning how to weld (every weld along the way) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif). My MIG is a basic 110V Lincoln with gas and 0.025" wire. I have read a lot about everything I could find here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) and watched a lot of YouTube videos on welding.

I have butt welded almost every part I have replaced on my car and take my sweet time making sure the new part is almost perfect to the opening. I did try the clamps shown above but I find they leave quite a gap between the two pieces which can create holes if you weld like me... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) . I am sure a good welder can go at it all day without any issues though. I prefer having the two parts touching or practically. I use magnets or any method to make sure the panels are in the same plane, then tack.

From what I have experienced, the more time you spend on preparing a panel that fits perfectly, the easier it will be to weld it in.

Good luck! It is a wonderful feeling to install a new panel in! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif)

Exactly, taking your time will pay off in the finish product, AND do not overheat the panel. Short tack welds are the order of the day. Experience is the best teacher for much of this restoration business.

[porschetub]

I am currently restoring my 914 and she is where I am learning how to weld (every weld along the way) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif). My MIG is a basic 110V Lincoln with gas and 0.025" wire. I have read a lot about everything I could find here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) and watched a lot of YouTube videos on welding.

I have butt welded almost every part I have replaced on my car and take my sweet time making sure the new part is almost perfect to the opening. I did try the clamps shown above but I find they leave quite a gap between the two pieces which can create holes if you weld like me... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) . I am sure a good welder can go at it all day without any issues though. I prefer having the two parts touching or practically. I use magnets or any method to make sure the panels are in the same plane, then tack.

From what I have experienced, the more time you spend on preparing a panel that fits perfectly, the easier it will be to weld it in.

Good luck! It is a wonderful feeling to install a new panel in! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) those clamps didn't work for me also,the 1mm gap is to much and I normality attempt to a very close fit or I make another patch.
I'am currently dealing in this area with a horrible PO patchup which is nasty ,thinking I should chop it out but not going there...for the time being (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) .
One pic of this hack job but will post more soon.

[porschetub]

I am currently restoring my 914 and she is where I am learning how to weld (every weld along the way) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif). My MIG is a basic 110V Lincoln with gas and 0.025" wire. I have read a lot about everything I could find here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) and watched a lot of YouTube videos on welding.

I have butt welded almost every part I have replaced on my car and take my sweet time making sure the new part is almost perfect to the opening. I did try the clamps shown above but I find they leave quite a gap between the two pieces which can create holes if you weld like me... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) . I am sure a good welder can go at it all day without any issues though. I prefer having the two parts touching or practically. I use magnets or any method to make sure the panels are in the same plane, then tack.

From what I have experienced, the more time you spend on preparing a panel that fits perfectly, the easier it will be to weld it in.

Good luck! It is a wonderful feeling to install a new panel in! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) those clamps didn't work for me also,the 1mm gap is to much and I normality attempt to a very close fit or I make another patch.
I'am currently dealing in this area with a horrible PO patchup which is nasty ,thinking I should chop it out but not going there...for the time being (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) .
One pic of this hack job but will post more soon.

More nasty work,body plate cover had a section chopped out it for no reason that I can see (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) ,cut a section and welded that on,you can see from the second pic how bad the welding is,currently trying to remove the black silicone sealer which stuck very well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) .
Surface rust under some of the laps....how hard it is it to put some primer on the area's before sealer is applied (IMG:style_emoticons/default/slap.gif) .


I noticed the replacement RD panel has no holes cut for the body cover plate covers which IMO is a good thing ,however if a show car perhaps that's not right,also noticed 914gt didn't add the tow bracket underneath ?.

[Root_Werks]

Others have said it, butt weld everything.

I cleaned up the trunk hole keeping it as small as possible. Cut out from the new trunk floor piece and butt welded in.

[Root_Werks]

Did the same for every AC line hole as well. These took the longest to trim/fit, weld, grind smooth.

When done, can't even tell there was a hole.

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[Deusexmachina77]

@Root_Werks , @Montreal914 , @porschetub , @930cabman , @914GT
Thank you for your opinions, guidance, encouragement, and especially the photos. Appreciate all the help. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/red914.jpg)

[930cabman]

@Root_Werks , @Montreal914 , @porschetub , @930cabman , @914GT
Thank you for your opinions, guidance, encouragement, and especially the photos. Appreciate all the help. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/red914.jpg)

Glad to be of assistance

[mgarrison]

Here's my effort:

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=&...t&p=2883421

I'm using a cheap HF flux core welder with no gas. If I can pull it off reasonably successfully, I'm guessing most anybody can! I also used the butt-weld clamps to get it tacked in place.

[porschetub]

@Root_Werks , @Montreal914 , @porschetub , @930cabman , @914GT
Thank you for your opinions, guidance, encouragement, and especially the photos. Appreciate all the help. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/red914.jpg)

No thanks required as I was helping folks not to do it the WRONG way like the PO did mine.
Car was original going to have a 3.0 in it but I purchased the restored roller with g/box,oil tank etc as he give up on the project to restore a rusty 911.