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> Shifter console leaking, Side shifter
r_towle
post Jan 14 2023, 01:25 PM
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I have a side shifter that leaks at the console.
I cold drip every hour…

I bought the transmission gasket set from pelican
There is nothing in the set for the shifter console….nada

I removed the console
It looks like there is a bushing at the bottom.

Does anyone have a clue on part numbers to order to rebuild the shifter console?
It’s a 75/76 if that matters.

Rich
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post Jan 14 2023, 02:03 PM
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Here is an exploded view of the assembly (found on Patrick Motorsport website).

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#20 is the o-ring that seals the console to the gearbox housing and #15 edit #12 is a lip seal that seals the shaft to the console. To replace the lip seal, you need to remove pin #16 or 19 to be able to pull out the shaft from the console assembly.

AFAIK, there is no difference in any side shifter gearbox years.

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post Jan 14 2023, 02:06 PM
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Thank you!

While I am there….
Do you think 11,12 contribute to leaks?

The main leak, after wiping it all down and waiting, was right off the shaft.
I believe I have the correct o-ring in the gasket set
I had to order the paper housing gasket separately.
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post Jan 14 2023, 02:20 PM
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Sorry, I made a mistake!!!

You are correct, #12 is the lip seal. #11 is the bronze bushing. If the bushing is worn out, then there will be play in the shaft that could induce a leak via the lip seal.
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post Jan 14 2023, 02:34 PM
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I will take it apart and see what I need.
It’s why I took it out.

I was hoping to easily find the parts, but I may need to look harder.
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post Jan 14 2023, 06:09 PM
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Having the same issue and dis assembled it today. From the diagram item #'s 12 and 20 seem to be the only places where sha can leak. The shaft #13 on mine was rusted where the seal #12 rides. It appears I can clean things up with some fine sandpaper and go. Best of luck with your repair, is the trans still in the car
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post Jan 14 2023, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE(930cabman @ Jan 14 2023, 07:09 PM) *

Having the same issue and dis assembled it today. From the diagram item #'s 12 and 20 seem to be the only places where sha can leak. The shaft #13 on mine was rusted where the seal #12 rides. It appears I can clean things up with some fine sandpaper and go. Best of luck with your repair, is the trans still in the car

Yes, trans is in the car.

I will disassemble and see what is wrong.
I have other if I need them, but I will try to fix this one.

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post Jan 16 2023, 10:33 AM
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QUOTE(r_towle @ Jan 14 2023, 07:48 PM) *

QUOTE(930cabman @ Jan 14 2023, 07:09 PM) *

Having the same issue and dis assembled it today. From the diagram item #'s 12 and 20 seem to be the only places where sha can leak. The shaft #13 on mine was rusted where the seal #12 rides. It appears I can clean things up with some fine sandpaper and go. Best of luck with your repair, is the trans still in the car

Yes, trans is in the car.

I will disassemble and see what is wrong.
I have other if I need them, but I will try to fix this one.

Rich


Take your time when removing cover #10, the shaft #13 may (probably) will come with it and the selector fork? is attached to it. Might be tricky getting things back together.
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post Jan 16 2023, 10:36 PM
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May? It will; it comes out as a unit. The rake has a roll pin that retains it on the shaft, just like the ball has a roll pin that retains it.

Put the box in neutral, remove the two retaining nuts, then rotate the assembly around 37 different orientations (it seems to help if you swear under your breath) to get it out of the case. Then put it on the bench, drive out one of the roll pins, slide the shaft out, and replace the bushing and seal.

Assembly is the reverse, but it takes longer to figure out how to get the thing back into place correctly. Louder swearing is probably called for.

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post Jan 16 2023, 10:54 PM
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Btdt, no swearing required when in neutral.
Got it soaking, it was a caked on mess of grease.

I will pull it apart later and take a picture of all the pieces.

I may have gotten the seal with the gasket kit….not sure
If yes, I’m confused why the would leave out the paper gasket.

Btw, if you do this, just look inside and gently use a flat screw driver to line up all the shift fork slots.
That is neutral
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post Jan 17 2023, 05:06 PM
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There's just the slightest possibility I was exaggerating.

A touch.

But I did find that I had to move the whole side-shift assembly around to odd angles to get it out of the gearbox. And to get it back in again. The rake gets in the way of various things, including the side of the hole you're pulling it out through.

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post Jan 17 2023, 05:34 PM
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Yes, the shaft #13 with rake attached did come out of the housing. My plan is to clean up the shaft, install a new seal and get it back together. Fitting the rake might be a challenge.
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post Jan 17 2023, 08:19 PM
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Do not use the paper gasket under the console. That is a part for the tail shift only and goes on the side plug which does not use the O ring. Note in the above diagram the missing gasket, because its not used and using it can cause issues. Just change the O ring and seal on the lower shaft and you are good to go.
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post Jan 18 2023, 04:31 PM
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QUOTE(Dr Evil @ Jan 17 2023, 09:19 PM) *

Do not use the paper gasket under the console. That is a part for the tail shift only and goes on the side plug which does not use the O ring. Note in the above diagram the missing gasket, because its not used and using it can cause issues. Just change the O ring and seal on the lower shaft and you are good to go.

Cool.

Explains why it was not in the gasket kit!
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post Jan 18 2023, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Jan 17 2023, 06:06 PM) *

There's just the slightest possibility I was exaggerating.

A touch.

But I did find that I had to move the whole side-shift assembly around to odd angles to get it out of the gearbox. And to get it back in again. The rake gets in the way of various things, including the side of the hole you're pulling it out through.

--DD

Ok yes,

Lots of gentle wiggling.
The teeth come out one at a time…I think the overall diameter is larger then the hole….so wiggling involved.
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post Jan 18 2023, 06:29 PM
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How did you remove the small oil seal from it's housing? Haynes mentions "prying" but I have had no luck with moderate prying.
thanks
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post Jan 18 2023, 07:57 PM
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Maybe use a seal puller? Runs less risk of damaging anything.

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post Jan 18 2023, 08:51 PM
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If it’s the rubber seal I think it is from the kit….use that tool above, or a dull flat screw driver.
Don’t touch the housing and scratch it…it will leak.

I will take some picks tomorrow when I take it apart.
Had to much going on today.
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post Jan 18 2023, 10:09 PM
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Maybe use a seal puller? Runs less risk of damaging anything.
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Only way! just be careful
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post Jan 18 2023, 11:01 PM
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Got what you need

https://914rubber.com/shift-rod-seal-for-transmission


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