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> Shifter console leaking, Side shifter
930cabman
post Jan 19 2023, 05:54 AM
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QUOTE(Chaznaster @ Jan 18 2023, 08:57 PM) *

Maybe use a seal puller? Runs less risk of damaging anything.




Great idea, but waay to big. It's possible there is a tiny version out there. I may heat the aluminum housing slightly. "Gentle prying" with a screwdriver doesn't move it
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post Jan 22 2023, 01:03 PM
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Ok, it is wicked cold and raw here.
I really need a huge shop heater….but the construction kerosene heater makes it tolerable.

Of course the part in question has been in the parts cleaner soaking….so it is at 30 degrees to touch..awesome times.

I learned two things.
The o-ring around the housing was torn and mutilated.
The shaft seal was 47 years old and no longer up to the task.

I’m not convinced the “transmission gasket kit” has the right o-ring diameter, so I will do some deeper research on that. Not sure where yet.

To pull the shaft seal I used a combination of a few steps.
1: tear out the rubber seal
2: take an old wood chisel and carefully put a cut in the metal top lip of the seal, without touching the housing
3: prying at that point still did nothing
4: map gas torch, heated up (it will catch on fire, there is still rubber and grease…be prepared
5: pry after heat and it popped out (after I put out the fires…. Nothing major)

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post Jan 22 2023, 01:11 PM
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post Jan 22 2023, 01:43 PM
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Perfect opportunity to convert the shifter console to a double supported bushing and U-joint linkage! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jan 22 2023, 01:51 PM
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QUOTE(Montreal914 @ Jan 22 2023, 02:43 PM) *

Perfect opportunity to convert the shifter console to a double supported bushing and U-joint linkage! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Nah, it’s a street car.
When I have done this before, replacing the loose shifter console bushing with a bronze or brass on with much higher tolerances, along with the two cup bushings, seems to do the trick
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post Jan 22 2023, 04:33 PM
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QUOTE(r_towle @ Jan 22 2023, 02:51 PM) *

QUOTE(Montreal914 @ Jan 22 2023, 02:43 PM) *

Perfect opportunity to convert the shifter console to a double supported bushing and U-joint linkage! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Nah, it’s a street car.
When I have done this before, replacing the loose shifter console bushing with a bronze or brass on with much higher tolerances, along with the two cup bushings, seems to do the trick


Victory, even in the freezing cold. The O ring was probably part of the leakage, what is the condition shaft where the seal rides?
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post Jan 22 2023, 09:56 PM
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Very slight side to side wiggle…
Not enough to concern me.

The o-ring was crushed and damaged….so that did not help with the issue.
It also had some classic yellow “used part” markings on it.

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post Jan 23 2023, 05:56 AM
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"Crushed and damaged" O ring would indicate to me it was not installed properly. Do you suspect it was also leaking from the seal?
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post Jan 23 2023, 03:09 PM
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It was certainly leaking from the housing due to the o-ring
The drip was always coming from the tip of the shaft….so that seal was certainly done too.

What I can’t believe is the tiny diameter of the o-ring versus the wide slot in the housing…

Does anyone know the specs of the oem o-ring?
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post Jan 24 2023, 02:44 PM
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Drove up to my local dealer.
Pet2 lists the o-ring as
40mm x 1.5 mm

I’m not convinced that is right (superseded part??)

I will post some pics to show what I mean
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post Jan 24 2023, 03:05 PM
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measured the housing groove, its 2.25mm
measure the o-ring...its 1.25 mm

I just don't want this to leak again...


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post Jan 24 2023, 05:46 PM
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I was at my local bearing house today and picked up a couple new seals and a couple new O rings. I may add a small radius on the trans housing for the O ring to "ease" into it's home.

Mine was leaking at the seal, it sounds as yours was leaking at the O ring. Either way it's a leak

I haven't looked too far but is the paper gasket readily available? if not it will not be too difficult to fabricate
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post Jan 24 2023, 06:31 PM
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There is no paper gasket in any diagram I have seen
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post Jan 24 2023, 06:59 PM
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QUOTE(r_towle @ Jan 24 2023, 07:31 PM) *

There is no paper gasket in any diagram I have seen


Mine has some residue on the surface where a gasket could be, on second thought it's probably crap or some degradation of the metals.
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