Glasurit 22 Line?, Looking for experience or availability Options

[Van B]

I’m south of DC in Waldorf, MD. But I’m stationed out of Andrews AFB. I did a day trip up to PA last year when I bought a new mower. It was a full day, but a beautiful drive.

[gereed75]

Kevin. Where are you in Pittsburgh. I’m in south hills.

I am in the process of a rolling restoration on a 70 Light Ivory car and could use all the good advice I can find when it comes to paint. PM me if you would like to chat.

[Superhawk996]

Yellows and red toners are some of the most expensive. Start puckering now! . . .

I think that 138 is called Cinnabar red. I remember it being very translucent and hard to match. Looks great though.....

Good memory. To make matters worse sometimes called Zinnoberrot in certain paint books. And yes, hard to match (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) good fun trying to find a match at $400/quart.

Ain’t paint a riot? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

[wonkipop]

i think i can see what you mean about the correct color hue and why you are going after it with some rigour.

if TJB/914's car is correct in this thread below. nice.
very changeable depending on light?

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...l=saturn+yellow

would make sense.
an old mate of mine had a 73 in what is called delphi green metallic in the states.
but the same color is called saturn yellow metallic in the rest of the world.
that was one beautiful enigmatic color.
sometimes it looked green.
at other times golden yellow.
just depended on the time of the day, angle of sun etc etc.

given the name = saturn yellow, surely it is meant to be similarly enigmatic even though not metallic?

i go after color a bit hard in my architecture.
i have been known to upset painters - until they get to the end of the job.
i use a 1930s color book and i get the colors custom mixed.
everyone else asks me where i get my colors from.
i stay schtum.
i got this color into my house 20 odd years ago.
its called chartreuse in my kept hidden book which actually only has about 30 colors.
the world was a lot simpler then, but the colors were fantastic.




depending on the light you could never really say it was green or yellow.

i used to look at ravenna green and think that was porsche or VW going after chartreuse, but now that you have alerted me to your discovery of a green tone, i think it might be saturn yellow.

all i can say is stay on the case. see if you can reconstruct it.
it will be worth it.

[Van B]

Yeah L13M. The eye notices green better than any other color. Since it is right in the middle of our visual spectrum we can actually see more shades of green. You can't fly in the AF unless you can see all the greens lol.

So, what I like about the authentic Saturn yellow is that under a UV biased light, the yellow washes out and the green comes through. But under a more infrared bias, the yellow becomes golden. That's exactly what's happening in your pics.

[wonkipop]

Yeah L13M. The eye notices green better than any other color. Since it is right in the middle of our visual spectrum we can actually see more shades of green. You can't fly in the AF unless you can see all the greens lol.

So, what I like about the authentic Saturn yellow is that under a UV biased light, the yellow washes out and the green comes through. But under a more infrared bias, the yellow becomes golden. That's exactly what's happening in your pics.

i rang max who owns the workshop and he reckons that dennis will call him back tonight.
fully briefed now on degree of difficulty. paint name and color code passed on.
spectral borderline flip flop general theme fully processed and understood by max.
he got it. exactly what the issue is. also information that its a VW color code.

lets see what old dennis has to say.

[wonkipop]

word back from d is one word.

glasurit.

all the mercs, porsches he has done for the last 40 years.

there is a bit more to it and i will send you a PM.

but he was firm in his view they get the color right.
often he has had to paint cars that no longer have any trace of original colour left or its real hard to find. they go straight off the formula. he believes despite all the dramas with VOC etc they have maintained the colors. i got a little talking to about cadmium and what a fabulous ingredient in terms of late 60s and 70s oranges reds and yellow colours. and of course its a verbotten ingredient.


slightly off topic but close.
this is what the old falcon ute got.
wouldn't mind hearing @Superhawk996 views.
(its a perfect match, as it turned out, it was adjusted slightly, we took a door down and had it matched, compensated for fade etc). not over the top paint given the ute is just a ute. but good enough not to make for a rubbish job.

i've got to say i love block sanding this primer.
i only do prep.
had nothing to do with the 30 minutes of glory at the end.





i read a thread a while back and i think @Superhawk996 expressed severe doubt about this product. oh well. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) the falcon is doomed.

[Superhawk996]

No doubts about the product(s). BASF has been around paint a long time. I think it’s mainly going to be a challenge finding it since PPG dominates here in the states.

I’m an amateur (hack (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) so I’ll gladly defer to a real painter and someone that has used Glasurit. As far as reformulation goes it’s real but it seems to me that colors ought to be able to be duplicated within reason. I think the main fight is dealing with match and blending to compensate for sun fade. My experience with the BMW #138 was interesting just as a data point about the color variances between brand and reformulation though I have no idea which has more influence.

As far as the guide powder - no doubts that it works I just think it is hilarious that the main ingredient was iron oxide (i.e. rust). I trust the suppliers have it in an inert form that won’t harm paint when molecules get trapped between primer and top coat.

Funny side note from my years working for Auto OEMs. The design studio has folks who’s sole job is mastering colors so that paint, interior trim, etc. matches when painted or manufactured at seperate suppliers. Imagine how hard that can be to have door trim come from a separate supplier than the instrument panel. The customer could care less where they come from but certainly expects the color to match.

At one OEM we had a vehicle with stripes that ran whole length of the car. Front fascia painted at different supplier than front hood. Initially the stripes didn’t line up between the fascia and the hood due to variances in fit of the parts but also from variance in the width of the stripes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) Doh!

[Superhawk996]

i've got to say i love block sanding this primer.
i only do prep.
had nothing to do with the 30 minutes of glory at the end.

@wonkipop
Don’t sell yourself short, the prep is the paint. You can be the best paint shooter but put it over bad prep and all you have is shiny (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif)

[930cabman]

i've got to say i love block sanding this primer.
i only do prep.
had nothing to do with the 30 minutes of glory at the end.

@wonkipop
Don’t sell yourself short, the prep is the paint. You can be the best paint shooter but put it over bad prep and all you have is shiny (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif)

At the same time, the prep can be perfect, but if the color guy is not on we have a similar result.

[Van B]

Thanks @wonkipop . I agree with the tribe that matching is best to avoid if possible. Which is why i wanted to see some assurance that Glasurit could give me a color that I would've seen had I been at the dealership in 1974.

Now to source it....

[wonkipop]

i've got to say i love block sanding this primer.
i only do prep.
had nothing to do with the 30 minutes of glory at the end.

@wonkipop
Don’t sell yourself short, the prep is the paint. You can be the best paint shooter but put it over bad prep and all you have is shiny (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif)

At the same time, the prep can be perfect, but if the color guy is not on we have a similar result.

yes, its a good idea for both aspects to be top notch.

the nice thing about prep is you can fix your screw ups along the way.
the guts and glory bit at the end is do or die.
i'd want to practice on a lot of letterboxes before i pointed a paint gun at a car. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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[wonkipop]

As far as the guide powder - no doubts that it works I just think it is hilarious that the main ingredient was iron oxide (i.e. rust). I trust the suppliers have it in an inert form that won’t harm paint when molecules get trapped between primer and top coat.

i asked mike about that.
he said its already oxidised.
therefor inert.
if had pure iron (ferrous) powder then it would rust.

however his eyebrows did go up and he added, i hope its all fully oxidised. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

[Superhawk996]

i'd want to practice on a lot of letterboxes before i pointed a paint gun at a car. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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@wonkipop
Start racing bikes - you’ll get lots of practice shooting paint.

[wonkipop]

i'd want to practice on a lot of letterboxes before i pointed a paint gun at a car. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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@wonkipop
Start racing bikes - you’ll get lots of practice shooting paint.

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i think i would end up in a lot of trouble if i got on a bike now at my age.
could end in tears. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif)

restrict myself to my old uncle's farm and his kawasaki ag-bike.
he is one of the few guys who still rounds up his cattle on a two wheeler.
a lot of other farmers seem to use death trap quad bikes.
its a lot of fun opening up an ag bike in a big paddock.
lots of grass and no bitumen.

[Van B]

@Superhawk996 is telling the truth! The last paint job I did was definitely my best (cir 2011)

[wonkipop]

@Superhawk996 is telling the truth! The last paint job I did was definitely my best (cir 2011)

geez the old 1.8 L jet must be a bit of a let down after that baby. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[Superhawk996]

@Superhawk996 is telling the truth! The last paint job I did was definitely my best (cir 2011)

geez the old 1.8 L jet must be a bit of a let down after that baby. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

@wonkipop

All “normal” cars are a let down after you get used to the acceleration of a sport bike. At this stage it pretty much takes something like a Tesla Running Ludicrous or Plaid mode to impress me for off the line acceleration. And I don’t even like EVs but you can’t beat max torque at zero RPM and AWD to ground the power.


Man - this thread was about paint - how did I get to an EV rant? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)

[Van B]

the question for me is how am I able to be so successful in avoiding EV rants lol...

Seriously though, I'm on the struggle bus trying to find a 22 line paint supplier. So far all the places I've looked up on the BASF website are either Glasurit in name only, only base/clear, or closed altogether.

[Superhawk996]

I did some Google on your behalf and have a bad feeling you’re going to run into same problem I had when trying to find Sikkens - yeah it’s still around but such a minor player and when I finally found a distributor, the old product line I wanted wasn’t available any longer.

Might try calling Capital Paint and Refinish in Denver - but even that article is 7 years old



Other than that all I’m finding is dated European / Canadian / ROW distribution

Have Wonkipop send you some (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif). Paint can be shipped internationally but will likely be a huge cost due to hazardous materials surcharge, customs & duty, and weight. I’ve had small quantity of paint shipped domestically and it was no big deal.