Glasurit 22 Line?, Looking for experience or availability Options

[vitamin914]

I did some Google on your behalf and have a bad feeling you’re going to run into same problem I had when trying to find Sikkens - yeah it’s still around but such a minor player and when I finally found a distributor, the old product line I wanted wasn’t available any longer.

Might try calling Capital Paint and Refinish in Denver - but even that article is 7 years old



Other than that all I’m finding is dated European / Canadian / ROW distribution

Have Wonkipop send you some (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif). Paint can be shipped internationally but will likely be a huge cost due to hazardous materials surcharge, customs & duty, and weight. I’ve had small quantity of paint shipped domestically and it was no big deal.

Paint is far far outside my knowledge base but I think @Superhawk996 is correct the only way to get this is from overseas. I tried a search for it in Canada but as expected, nothing.

I did find this in Germany, home of BASF... and it lists prices in Euros.

https://autolackpartner.de/en/42-glasurit-reihe-22

Doesn't look like they ship outside Europe (when pretending to buy on their website). However, maybe a call or email could answer that? Regardless, it will be expensive.

[Can-Am]

There is a WESCO paint store in Mesa Az that I've spoken to about 55line. They say that they can mix Glasurit now. 480-833-6093. I'd still be nervous about trusting their formula without looking at it to make certain that you like it. $2500 worth of paint 2000 miles away from the place that has toners to adjust the color......
Maybe try calling some german car bodyshops and ask if they know a jobber or other shop that sprays Glasurit.

[wonkipop]

I did some Google on your behalf and have a bad feeling you’re going to run into same problem I had when trying to find Sikkens - yeah it’s still around but such a minor player and when I finally found a distributor, the old product line I wanted wasn’t available any longer.

Might try calling Capital Paint and Refinish in Denver - but even that article is 7 years old



Other than that all I’m finding is dated European / Canadian / ROW distribution

Have Wonkipop send you some (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif). Paint can be shipped internationally but will likely be a huge cost due to hazardous materials surcharge, customs & duty, and weight. I’ve had small quantity of paint shipped domestically and it was no big deal.

essentially that was what was in the PM.
Glasurit Aus don't sell the good stuff here either.

but it is obtainable.

@vitamin914 - you can get the stuff you linked to in Germany also in the UK.

correct re hazardous materials.
i'm not even sure you can put it on a plane from AUS to US.
i know i could not airfreight certain solvent based paints i was after for my work from NZ.
had to be water based.

mexico?

[wonkipop]

this topic did get me interested to know once and for all who did supply the paint to VW in Germany. it was BASF (glasurit).

original colour charts are spot on.
saturn yellow in all its correct glory. (from ratwell who photographed a glasurit chart book).



no matter what i would be getting the paint from Glasurit.
whatever the final outcome in terms of whether you can obtain 22 Line in USA,
they are going to be the supplier who can either still reproduce the original colour despite the chemical contortions to conform with eco laws or get the closest of anyone.

22 line did not arrive until 1995.
they did change the formulation from what they were using in the 70s and then the 80s.
but it was adjustments to lower the solvent content in the paint.
but the basic chemistry did not move too far.

EDIT
i am reaching far back into my memory now to the mid 80s when i was my mid 20s.
one of my bosses got a battered 911 he picked up from a sheep station in NSW.
it was repainted in glasurit. that awful mustard yellow brown color that was original.
there was some problem with the paint at that time being susceptible to chipping.
it was widespread as a problem. this may have been BASF coming to terms with the first regulation wave to lower solvent content. i think they solved the problem after that because that was the one and only time i remember some issues in relation to what was even then the most expensive paint around down here.

[StarBear]

BTW, I worked for BASF 1986-99. Got the original Zambezi Green formulas from AG dept in both VW and Porsche versions. Rather different formula for each. Provided them to Jejj B; believe they are posted on his web site.

[wonkipop]

here is a thread i found on samba along the way.
guy with a sport beetle.
restored and repainted.
looks like he got close. very green in photos but possibly due to artificial inside light.
outside in sun shots looks right.

but he has done it with base and clear.
he used sikkens. would probably be same problem superhawk996 was talking about.
you have trouble even getting sikkens now in USA.

also this was 10 years ago. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic...sc&start=60

[wonkipop]

BTW, I worked for BASF 1986-99. Got the original Zambezi Green formulas from AG dept in both VW and Porsche versions. Rather different formula for each. Provided them to Jejj B; believe they are posted on his web site.

interesting about two different formulas.

[wonkipop]

BTW, I worked for BASF 1986-99. Got the original Zambezi Green formulas from AG dept in both VW and Porsche versions. Rather different formula for each. Provided them to Jejj B; believe they are posted on his web site.

i see the reason for that after a quick search.
only on 914s in the 70s.
comes back on 1980 911 SC. probably an entirely different type of paint being used?
but they have maintained the color/shade precisely despite the different chemistry?
apparently it remains a special choice color you can still get, or could still get until recently on your porsche. believe its called forest green on later 911s which was the name given to it on ROW 914s.



gives you faith that glasurit can reproduce saturn yellow even if the paint chemistry has entirely altered since 1974.

i was just wandering around down here with my old showroom colors brochure.
i had no idea how accurate it was (still is). its been kept out of the sunlight for 50 years.

damn near a perfect match for the unfaded relatively un-aged inners on my car.
the germans were good.



and much to my surprise the little sample of saturn yellow was doing its trick of changing color as i moved from the south light in the garage (which is like USA north light) and out into direct sunlight. greenish in garage, but went yellow out in the sun.

wild color. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[Van B]

Too funny to see all of you confirming all my research that led to me posting this thread! I feel validated right now lol… except for Steve not calling up his old BASF buddies to hook me up. Hell that young intern he probably knew at one point is running the North American division by now I bet!

[wonkipop]

come in @StarBear . calling starbear. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif)

must be a live contact steve has somewhere. its only a quarter of a century ago. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Van B]

@Can-Am thanks for the lead. It’s definitely worth a call just to see what they say.

[Van B]

@wonkipop that samba thread is what I saw early on that really got me thinking about how far my car actually was

[Van B]

@Superhawk996 . Well apparently capital paint and refinishing is a franchise. The first one I found online was here in DC. So naturally I thought nothing of it…. Then another in TX, and now the same name in denver!

Maybe I just need to start spamming BASF until they put me in contact with a regional sales rep?!

[Superhawk996]

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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) PPG buddy - just sayin’ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)

[Van B]

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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) PPG buddy - just sayin’ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)

You can’t get deltron single stage anymore! They discontinued it a few years back.

[Superhawk996]

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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) PPG buddy - just sayin’ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)

You can’t get deltron single stage anymore! They discontinued it a few years back.

PPG Concept is their acrylic urethane

[wonkipop]

have you got to this point in BASF Glasurit USA website?
i'm thinking you have but.......

you can do a search state by state.

https://refinish.basf.us/where-to-buy/

i typed in annapolis, maryland and got this.
its a biggish list.

https://refinish.basf.us/where-to-buy/

one of them might at least be able to give you a tip or give you the story.


btw, i did the same thing for australia,
and the distributor i gave you in PM does not come up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

edit,
given the quest for the AAV i know your not going to give up without a fight.

[wonkipop]

have you got to this point in BASF Glasurit USA website?
i'm thinking you have but.......

you can do a search state by state.

https://refinish.basf.us/where-to-buy/

i typed in annapolis, maryland and got this.
its a biggish list.

https://refinish.basf.us/where-to-buy/

one of them might at least be able to give you a tip or give you the story.


btw, i did the same thing for australia,
and the distributor i gave you in PM does not come up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

edit,
given the quest for the AAV i know your not going to give up without a fight.

edit 2
i found some other stuff digging deep.
i guess guys who have taken original paint off 914s know this stuff.
what was on the cars was apparently 3 primer or undercoats.
1 - dark grey etch primer.
2 - light grey primer.
3 - white undercoat.
4 - single stage top coat. (ie two coats with short interval?).
those who know could confirm. never dug into mine.
the white undercoat under the top coat is interesting.

i can see what you are up to Van. you are going to go over the paint presently on car with some prep?
hence the 22 line?

[targa72e]

I purchased Gasurit from capital paint in Denver about 4 years ago to do some touch up and repaint the hood. I ended up with 55 line and used it as single stage without clear. In my case it was an exact match to my car which was repainted in the about 25 years ago with unknown paint but the color matched to the re-painted and unpainted areas like the trunk, Frunk and engine compartment as well. My car is Olympic blue.



john

[StarBear]

come in @StarBear . calling starbear. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif)

must be a live contact steve has somewhere. its only a quarter of a century ago. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Hehehehe. The paint scientist I spoke with back then was maybe 80 years old. Would be close to 120 by now.

As a side note, ORM and refinish paints were quite different back then, too. OEM we’re oven bake dried while refinish was air dried (with catalysts later). Funny story: someone, maybe a sales person, had some excess or off spec auto paint but didn’t know this difference. Somehow it got out and a person used OEM paint to paint their basement. Of course it never cured. BASF spent a lot fixing that basement. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

PS: My formula sheets have the name of that AG paint scientist if one really needs it. If not in the docs on Jeff’s site, I still have all of the for reference. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)