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> Problem Removing Turbo Tie Rod End, Isn't it just supposed to unscrew?
BeatNavy
post Jan 30 2023, 04:07 PM
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It's been well established that I am dumber than the average bear, but aren't the tie rod ends (on turbo tie rods) just supposed to unscrew off the tie rod? I'm not talking about getting the threaded end out of the control/pittman arm -- I've done that. I'm trying to replace the tie rod end. Heat, PB Blaster, but I can't seem to break it free. It's not easy getting leverage on the rod and the end at the same time, but I've put a fair amount of torque on there with no luck.

Any suggestions or thoughts?
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post Jan 30 2023, 04:13 PM
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Aren't those reverse threads? It's been a long time since i last touched on of those.
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post Jan 30 2023, 04:33 PM
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post Jan 30 2023, 04:36 PM
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Oh man, if that's the case, then I AM dumb.

But I did consider that at one point. I tried to go the other direction and it still wouldn't budge (although I didn't put as much effort into it then). Hmmm....
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post Jan 31 2023, 08:22 AM
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Nope, I can't get that tie rod end to move either direction on the rod. I don't know if the threads inside got boogered or if I did something on the install 5 or so years ago.

What are my options at this point? Do I unthread/remove the whole rod so I can at least get it on a vice or something?
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post Jan 31 2023, 08:36 AM
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QUOTE(BeatNavy @ Jan 31 2023, 08:22 AM) *

Nope, I can't get that tie rod end to move either direction on the rod. I don't know if the threads inside got boogered or if I did something on the install 5 or so years ago.

What are my options at this point? Do I unthread/remove the whole rod so I can at least get it on a vice or something?


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Do you have the narrow wrench needed to fit the end of the tie rod?
Have you tried a big hammer hit
on the wrench to break it loose?
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post Jan 31 2023, 08:44 AM
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Hey Bruce!

Yeah, I do have that special wrench. Just got done watching Ian's install video to remind me how this all went together.

So how does one apply enough torque to get it to break free in this situation? The tie rod rotates freely in the rack, so you need to try to hold that still, and those little flat surfaces on the rod don't give much to hold onto. Not sure how I could do this with a hammer....

EDIT: or are you referring to removing the whole tie rod with the wrench and hammer?

EDIT part II: wait, there's a narrow wrench for the end? I don't think I have that. I have the big one (36mm) that's used to secure the inner part to the rack.
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post Jan 31 2023, 10:15 AM
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I took the tie rod off of the rack. PB Blaster, lots of heat, and I still can't get that thing to move. I clamped it as hard as I could in a vice and backing up with vice grips, but I can't get the rod to stay and the end to move. It's like it's welded to that thing.

I think my best bet at this point is to buy another tie rod (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Jan 31 2023, 11:34 AM
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What am i missing here? I've always used two long wrenches and you move them towards each other to break the end lose.
Both parts should allow for a wrench (forget which sizes, the two are different if i recall)

Can you post some pics of what you have?
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post Jan 31 2023, 11:47 AM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jan 31 2023, 12:34 PM) *

What am i missing here? I've always used two long wrenches and you move them towards each other to break the end lose.
Both parts should allow for a wrench (forget which sizes, the two are different if i recall)

Can you post some pics of what you have?
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I don't know, but I'm missing it, too, apparently. Yes, that's what I've been trying to do (I still think it's right hand threaded, but either direction it's not budging). The rod itself has a small flat surface that will fit a 12mm wrench although not that well. The tie rod end will take a 22mm wrench. Here's a pic:

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There was some surface rust on the threads from the 5 or so years I've been running these, but I still can't believe that's what's causing it not to budge.

I said screw it and ordered a whole new tie rod / tie rod end assembly from the bird.
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post Jan 31 2023, 11:58 AM
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Here's the tie rod off the rack. The ONLY thing I can think of is if I put something like red loctite in there during assembly. But I don't think I did that, nor do I think I am that dumb. And I heated that b**** up pretty good trying to break it free.

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post Jan 31 2023, 12:25 PM
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More heat & more leverage.
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post Jan 31 2023, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE(mepstein @ Jan 31 2023, 10:25 AM) *

More heat & more leverage.

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post Jan 31 2023, 01:29 PM
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Vice & Pipe wrench (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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post Jan 31 2023, 01:46 PM
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Had the MAP torch out, but getting leverage is tough on that rod, even in a vise. Lots of heat, vise, biggest pipe wrench I have -- nada. Couldn't find anything to work as a cheater bar.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) though. It's not like it's a 40 year old rusty part. Been maybe 5 years, and maybe only one East Coast winter. The rest of the time it's been garaged in the winter.

Thanks for the support, fellas, but I'm throwing in the towel on this one before I pull a groin. New tie rod shows up on Friday, I guess.
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post Jan 31 2023, 02:56 PM
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That is so weird, those threads should be moving freely since it's supposed to be the locking nut holding things in place.
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post Jan 31 2023, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jan 31 2023, 03:56 PM) *

That is so weird, those threads should be moving freely since it's supposed to be the locking nut holding things in place.
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post Jan 31 2023, 09:17 PM
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) Wow. That is a head scratcher. Once that lock nut is loose, you can usually screw the tie rod end off by hand. Red loctite came to my mind too but I'm not even that dumb and I guarantee I'm dumber than you. I can't imagine it would be possible to cross thread those either.
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QUOTE(bbrock @ Jan 31 2023, 10:17 PM) *

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) Wow. That is a head scratcher. Once that lock nut is loose, you can usually screw the tie rod end off by hand. Red loctite came to my mind too but I'm not even that dumb and I guarantee I'm dumber than you. I can't imagine it would be possible to cross thread those either.


Red loctite should free up with heat. I use heat on the cylinder registers to free up head studs and a minute or two of head easily softens the loctite.
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