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> Resurrecting a Bumblebee and me, A slackers attempt at keeping Pandora in the box
KELTY360
post Feb 5 2023, 08:01 PM
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So it's time to get off my ass and deal with this rare gem that has wandered into my garage. Much to the skepticism of some, it's an original 21,000 mile LE that was parked by the original owner in 1988 and didn't move til his heir's sold the car and the new owner moved it from Honolulu to Pt. Townsend, WA in late summer 2022. My somewhat accidental purchase is documented in a previous thread: Low mileage LE?

For those who don't know me, I'm a longtime 914 believer since purchasing a Sunflower Yellow 1.7 brand new in 1973. I've since owned a variety of these little cars, currently holding a '74 2.0 and the LE. I've also encountered a couple of major oral surgeries over the last year that have put me in a state of slow recovery that leads to my personal resurrection. I didn't really intend to buy the LE but that ship has sailed and I'm trying to bring it back to life for my own resurgence, with the help of some friends of course.

The car is very solid and straight with minimal corrosion, as verified by @Root_Werks and @Greenie . My plan at present is to get it sorted out mechanically and some cosmetics, without performing a complete restoration. I do not plan on keeping the car when the plan is done. So, anyone who's interested in a very original, documented and compete LE is welcome to contact me. In this thread I'll be posting a list of parts needed and pictures and descriptions of work planned or completed.

I'll end this long post with an obligatory pic so I don't get the dreaded TTIWWP emogi. Many more pics to follow as I progress.

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JeffBowlsby
post Mar 7 2023, 10:28 AM
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Maybe George will chime in on on this? If anyone knows orginal 914s its George.

What are the factory original rocker panel rivets? Plastic (clear or black) or aluminum (mill finish)? The same or differnet over the model years?

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QUOTE(JeffBowlsby @ Mar 7 2023, 10:28 AM) *

Maybe George will chime in on on this? If anyone knows orginal 914s its George.

What are the factory original rocker panel rivets? Plastic (clear or black) or aluminum (mill finish)? The same or differnet over the model years?

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i think you are on to something mr. b

its maybe an extensive change in mid 73 when they change the inner threshold plate from alum to plastic?
i've done a bit of searching back through the L jet files i have which are all 74 and 75 1.8s.

i know this from my own car (and PET data).
when the thin inner most threshold piece was changed to black plastic the screws changed too. the screws received additional cupped raised washers to help with distributing the load and keeping the plastic straighter. very few cars seem to have the correct screws surviving. i have the original screws on mine for those very inner most thresholds and a few of the ones i have on file have them as well. that helps with knowing you might be looking at something trustworthy throughout sill area. the earlier cars pre mid 73 just have a screw into the aluminium earlier inner most threshold.

they changed the outer sill threshold piece to plastic at the same time and the rivets in that changed to black. all the examples on file match mine.
they had been white in the pre mid 73 cars to fasten the alum threshold.

i looked up my first addition restorers guide to authenticity.
its getting a bit old now (out of date?). i don't have the more recent edition.
down the back on page 78 is a photo and description of the earlier alum threshold. also shows rocker panel. the rocker panel is held on by the same white plastic rivet. so i believe @914werke is right about that. when it comes to earlier cars.

however there is no detail or description on the post mid 73 in my edition of R G.

but---everything i have on file from L jet research which are in some cases drawn from BAT archives has silver alum rivets fixing the outer sill rockers. i think i have got at least two original examples i would trust to a reasonable degree on that. they could have been black rivets that the paint has worn off. but they are silver now which indicates alum not plastic.

it could be interesting. they might have changed the rivets in the outer rockers from mid 73 on. your example you have posted where the owner assured rockers had not been off and the rivets are silver alum seems to agree with everything i have collected on file.

i can't say for certain what i did back in the early 90s when i took the covers off was a like for like replacement. but i used to be fairly careful with detail like that and i feel sure i would have replaced what was there to match. but who knows.

i guess the doc will have the full answer.

but there appears to be something in the differences being brought up and contested.
@914werke is definitely correct about the early cars pre mid 73.
@JeffBowlsby may well be correct about the later cars post mid 73. something different appears to be going on there.


a 74.
not mine but identical to mine.
from L jet archive. a pretty original car in all respects.
not a restoration
correct inner threshold screws and seems to have alum rocker rivets. look silver.
matches @KELTY360 's rockers and your example of a 40,000 mile car.

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KELTY360   Resurrecting a Bumblebee and me   Feb 5 2023, 08:01 PM
Chris H.   Awesome find Marc! Can't wait to see the ...   Feb 5 2023, 08:12 PM
914werke   :headbanger:   Feb 5 2023, 08:13 PM
wonkipop   you got to love survivor cars. :beer2: :beer2: ...   Feb 6 2023, 02:12 AM
Bullethead   :popcorn: What a great find! Sympathetic resur...   Feb 6 2023, 07:50 AM
Beach914   Can't wait to see the progress! Looking fo...   Feb 6 2023, 08:37 AM
rjames   :headbanger: :popcorn:   Feb 6 2023, 10:29 AM
KELTY360   A number of people commented in the auction thread...   Feb 6 2023, 10:37 AM
mepstein   :beer2:   Feb 6 2023, 10:40 AM
Craigers17   Nice find! I hope you put those Rivs on there...   Feb 6 2023, 10:43 AM
KELTY360   Nice find! I hope you put those Rivs on ther...   Feb 6 2023, 11:03 AM
Root_Werks   Very cool you finally got a thread started on the ...   Feb 6 2023, 12:22 PM
KELTY360   Very cool you finally got a thread started on the...   Feb 6 2023, 12:37 PM
Beach914   Looks like an original spoiler too! Hopefully ...   Feb 6 2023, 01:22 PM
KELTY360   Looks like an original spoiler too! Hopefully...   Feb 6 2023, 07:34 PM
scallyk9   Congratulations!!! Great find as this ...   Feb 6 2023, 04:40 PM
KELTY360   Congratulations!!! Great find as this...   Feb 6 2023, 07:42 PM
wonkipop   looks like the spare still has the o g dunlop SP m...   Feb 6 2023, 06:18 PM
KELTY360   looks like the spare still has the o g dunlop SP ...   Feb 6 2023, 07:49 PM
JeffBowlsby   A couple of clarifications. THis appears to be an...   Feb 6 2023, 07:50 PM
Craigers17   A couple of clarifications. THis appears to be a...   Feb 7 2023, 06:29 AM
JeffBowlsby   I think this is a survivor that should just catch ...   Feb 6 2023, 07:55 PM
KELTY360   I think this is a survivor that should just catch...   Feb 6 2023, 08:06 PM
wonkipop   I think this is a survivor that should just catch...   Feb 7 2023, 03:34 AM
JeffBowlsby   @Craigers17 No, Im not saying that about the Tar...   Feb 7 2023, 09:22 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   "heave ho" those wheels asap!! (...   Feb 7 2023, 09:45 AM
jhynesrockmtn   Exciting and semi local to me. Congrats on this a...   Feb 7 2023, 10:10 AM
rhodyguy   Get the blue car finished. Fixing 2 cars at once w...   Feb 7 2023, 10:14 AM
KELTY360   Get the blue car finished. Fixing 2 cars at once ...   Feb 7 2023, 11:27 AM
KELTY360   I've hit the first crossroad in the LE resurre...   Feb 9 2023, 02:24 PM
troth   Seems to me you could very carefully cut the nut o...   Feb 9 2023, 02:48 PM
troth   Looking at the pictures it might not even be worth...   Feb 9 2023, 02:52 PM
Root_Werks   I know there will be a lot of perspective on resto...   Feb 9 2023, 03:05 PM
KELTY360   I'm kinda starting at the front and working my...   Feb 11 2023, 10:40 PM
wonkipop   @KELTY360 its a pleasure to look at these images...   Feb 12 2023, 12:11 AM
KELTY360   given it is so original whats the windscreen in i...   Mar 8 2023, 06:38 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3057454' date='Feb 1...   Mar 9 2023, 04:22 AM
wonkipop   @KELTY360 ..............and [b]@[url=http://ww...   Feb 12 2023, 12:23 AM
KELTY360   or did LEs have twin horns and one is missing? ...   Feb 12 2023, 08:17 AM
JeffBowlsby   Dual horns on LEs, infact all 74s I am prettry sur...   Feb 12 2023, 12:39 AM
wonkipop   Dual horns on LEs, infact all 74s I am prettry su...   Feb 12 2023, 12:43 AM
JeffBowlsby   Dual horns on LEs, infact all 74s I am prettry sur...   Feb 12 2023, 12:42 AM
Cairo94507   Nice car. Were it mine, I would pull the rocker c...   Feb 12 2023, 09:07 AM
Jett   Nice car. Were it mine, I would pull the rocker ...   Feb 12 2023, 10:15 AM
Geezer914   Nice find. I would check the inside of the fuel t...   Feb 12 2023, 12:05 PM
KELTY360   Also spray some fogging oil in the cylinders be...   Feb 12 2023, 08:52 PM
JeffBowlsby   Also spray some fogging oil in the cylinders b...   Feb 12 2023, 08:58 PM
KELTY360   [quote name='KELTY360' post='3057683' date='Feb 1...   Feb 12 2023, 09:28 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='KELTY360' post='3057683' date='Feb ...   Feb 13 2023, 12:44 AM
altitude411   *Subscribed* Thanks for the link Marc. Very cool ...   Mar 5 2023, 10:22 PM
KELTY360   *Subscribed* Thanks for the link Marc. Very cool...   Mar 6 2023, 10:12 AM
914werke   Nothing precious or sacred about common aluminum ...   Mar 6 2023, 09:59 AM
JeffBowlsby   Nothing precious or sacred about common aluminum...   Mar 6 2023, 10:09 AM
914werke   [quote name='JeffBowlsby' post='3057686' date='F...   Mar 6 2023, 10:17 AM
JeffBowlsby   Nothing precious or sacred about common aluminum ...   Mar 6 2023, 12:10 PM
KELTY360   Nothing precious or sacred about common aluminum...   Mar 6 2023, 08:52 PM
KELTY360   In true slacker fashion, I haven't updated my ...   Mar 6 2023, 11:28 AM
Root_Werks   Glad you are on the mend along with the Bumble Bee...   Mar 6 2023, 11:35 AM
914werke   I've taken pecs of the aluminum rivets in the ...   Mar 6 2023, 11:37 AM
KELTY360   [quote name='KELTY360' post='3062934' date='Mar 6...   Mar 6 2023, 11:50 AM
914werke   The OE fastener is the Plastic rivet also used on ...   Mar 6 2023, 09:10 PM
bkrantz   Of course, for owners not pursuing concours restor...   Mar 6 2023, 09:38 PM
KELTY360   Of course, for owners not pursuing concours resto...   Mar 7 2023, 12:02 AM
wonkipop   Of course, for owners not pursuing concours rest...   Mar 7 2023, 03:29 AM
JeffBowlsby   Maybe George will chime in on on this? If anyone ...   Mar 7 2023, 10:28 AM
wonkipop   Maybe George will chime in on on this? If anyone...   Mar 7 2023, 03:02 PM
wonkipop   Maybe George will chime in on on this? If anyone...   Mar 7 2023, 04:30 PM
KELTY360   So, giving the interior a first cleaning to see wh...   Mar 7 2023, 02:47 PM
wonkipop   @JeffBowlsby the mystery of the rivets deepens. ...   Mar 7 2023, 06:21 PM
wonkipop   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Mar 7 2023, 07:46 PM
DBF   My Bumblebee was given one inexpensive repaint due...   Mar 8 2023, 04:32 PM
DBF   Would the same tool be used to install both Al and...   Mar 8 2023, 06:33 PM


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