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> The two bleeders
emerygt350
post Mar 17 2023, 07:38 PM
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I just popped on my newly remastered rear brake calipers from PMB and was wondering if there was a point to the lower bleeder? I only ever bothered with the top bleeder before but now that it's bone dry I was wondering if that might be why the second bleeder exists? I will be bleeding the brakes tomorrow morning.
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post Mar 19 2023, 12:34 PM
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Nope - I’m wrong on a casting common to all three applications. You can see the /4 casting has a different formation than the Ferrari rear inboard casting.

The other thing that is implied is that Krieger’s calipers had to be drilled to the /6 orientation meaning that the 308s weren’t dual bleed screw.

The mystery continues as to what would prompt ATE to have two bleed screws on the /4. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) I’m still thinking someone else was using the /4 casting for another OEM. That will take some digging. I’ll see what I can find on ATE classic site.

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post Mar 20 2023, 08:48 AM
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QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Mar 19 2023, 01:34 PM) *

Nope - I’m wrong on a casting common to all three applications. You can see the /4 casting has a different formation than the Ferrari rear inboard casting.

The other thing that is implied is that Krieger’s calipers had to be drilled to the /6 orientation meaning that the 308s weren’t dual bleed screw.

The mystery continues as to what would prompt ATE to have two bleed screws on the /4. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) I’m still thinking someone else was using the /4 casting for another OEM. That will take some digging. I’ll see what I can find on ATE classic site.

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The ONLY applications that use this type of rear caliper are:

914-4
-914-6 - use a larger version of the 70-72 914-4 piston guts along with the M10 adjuster threads....a unicorn exclusive to the 914-6 caliper
Ferrari 308 - uses the same piston guts and M10 adjusters as the Late 914-4 caliper.
Alfa (38mm, but different parking brake lever configuration and a few other things)..use the same piston guts as the Ferrari 308, but the external threads on the outer adjuster are M10x1.25 rather than M8x1.25 like the 914 (4 and 6) and Ferrari calipers, and the inner setup is different as well.

I've also seen one instance of these being used on a BMW....not sure if OE or not, can't remember the model, but it was something special.

The inboard castings are a bit different between the early and late 914-4...the area where you insert the clips to retain the pad pins has a bit more relief on one than the other...maybe just an updated tool, who knows.
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emerygt350   The two bleeders   Mar 17 2023, 07:38 PM
StarBear   Good question. Curious, too. Dual bleeders on late...   Mar 17 2023, 08:02 PM
Superhawk996   Dual bleeders facilitate the part being used on ei...   Mar 17 2023, 10:32 PM
iankarr   On one car I had a harder time than usual getting ...   Mar 17 2023, 11:59 PM
davep   Dual bleed nipples of the 914 rear have nothing to...   Mar 18 2023, 07:21 AM
930cabman   Dual bleed nipples of the 914 rear have nothing t...   Mar 18 2023, 08:11 AM
Superhawk996   Dual bleed nipples of the 914 rear have nothing t...   Mar 18 2023, 10:49 AM
davep   The casting is not handed until the machining ope...   Mar 18 2023, 07:10 PM
technicalninja   Dual bleed nipples of the 914 rear have nothing t...   Mar 18 2023, 07:57 AM
technicalninja   Disagree. You have to look at this from a manufa...   Mar 18 2023, 11:25 AM
emerygt350   Shoot, wish I had read Dave's comment earlier....   Mar 18 2023, 01:55 PM
Superhawk996   I think the one thing we can agree on is that thes...   Mar 18 2023, 08:04 PM
Van914   Ferrari 308 uses the same rear calipers. I think t...   Mar 19 2023, 04:15 AM
Superhawk996   Ferrari 308 uses the same rear calipers. I think ...   Mar 19 2023, 06:52 AM
davep   Ferrari 308 uses the same rear calipers. I think ...   Mar 19 2023, 08:04 AM
Krieger   Here are my 308 calipers. I had a machinist add th...   Mar 19 2023, 11:24 AM
Superhawk996   Here are my 308 calipers. I had a machinist add t...   Mar 19 2023, 12:11 PM
Krieger   Here are my 308 calipers. I had a machinist add ...   Mar 19 2023, 06:41 PM
zoomCat   Here are my 308 calipers. I had a machinist add t...   Mar 19 2023, 12:56 PM
Superhawk996   Nope - I’m wrong on a casting common to all thre...   Mar 19 2023, 12:34 PM
PatMc   Nope - I’m wrong on a casting common to all thr...   Mar 20 2023, 08:48 AM
Krieger   And some casting variations with mine. @Superhawk...   Mar 19 2023, 06:58 PM
Superhawk996   Thank you for the alternate views. Nice score fo...   Mar 19 2023, 09:43 PM


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