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technicalninja
post Mar 24 2023, 07:32 AM
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This thread is my base AC thread for suggestions, questions, whatever...

I run
https://granburyautoac.com/

I specialize in automotive heat and air conditioning systems.

I've been doing AC work since 1983 and have seen all of the changes, good and bad, that have occurred over the last 40 years.

I'm keeping the first post short as they always show up at the top of each page and if long, they clutter up the thread...
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post Mar 24 2023, 08:27 AM
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3rd tip...

Oil balancing is very important!

A modern AC system uses approximately 4 ounces of oil per LB of refrigerant.

Putting too much oil in degrades system efficiency. It coats the inside of the tubing and the heat exchangers and can seriously degrade system heat transfer.

The oil DOES NOT stay in the compressor. It runs around the system with the refrigerant and the liquid refrigerant mixes completely with the oil. When the liquid goes through the phase change from liquid to gas it releases the oil as fine droplets and this oil mist is how the compressor oils.

Ever been in front of a fan with a water mister on it?
This is how the compressor oils...

The ONLY thing that needs the oil is the compressor.
Modern compressors have multiple ways they try to keep the oil in the compressors.
IMO none of them work. I expect 33% of the system oil in the compressor and the other 66% will be in the system, mostly in the evaporator as this is the main area the phase change occurs in.

Most of those expensive refrigerant cans have 3 ounces of oil in them. If you've had an explosive decompression of the system, you might lose 3 ounces. Ripping a hose off is an example of explosive decompression. This vents the entire system charge in a second, you get a BIG bang and a pretty impressive cloud for just a moment.

If you haven't violently vented your system, you NEVER need the amount of oil in one of the fancy cans and putting 3 ounces of oil in a system that needed none is "shooting yourself in the foot."

A slow leak does not vent much of the oil out of the system. You might only need a 1/4 ounce of oil. Experience is what makes me able to determine how much oil to put back in. It's usually a very minor amount...

I have a Hybrid capable machine and it did not have an oil injection system.
At first I was pissed, My 5K machine could not inject oil!
I far prefer it that way now.
I use a 60CC cow injection hypodermic srynge to dispense oil into the high side of the system (ONLY!) during vacuum operations. Work like a charm and was dirt cheap.

Robinair and others make an actual oil injector to allow injection of oil into a charges system. I originally wanted one but after getting used to the cow needle I'm fine with out one.
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technicalninja   Ninja tips: AC systems   Mar 24 2023, 07:32 AM
technicalninja   1st tip and this might be the single most importan...   Mar 24 2023, 07:45 AM
technicalninja   2nd stupid important tip. Change the service valv...   Mar 24 2023, 08:05 AM
technicalninja   3rd tip... Oil balancing is very important! ...   Mar 24 2023, 08:27 AM
technicalninja   I put oil into the system through the high side po...   Mar 24 2023, 08:51 AM
technicalninja   When replacing a compressor, it is stupid importan...   Mar 24 2023, 09:01 AM
technicalninja   The very first thing I do when checking a system o...   Mar 24 2023, 09:40 AM
VaccaRabite   Ninja are you going to be offering 914 AC? Zach   Mar 24 2023, 09:50 AM
914werke   RE: Ninja tips: AC systems   Mar 24 2023, 10:28 AM
VaccaRabite   This picture confuses me. Did someone plumb AC...   Mar 24 2023, 10:42 AM
914_teener   This picture confuses me. Did someone plumb A...   Mar 24 2023, 10:46 AM
914_teener   All good advice. Not enough though about pulling ...   Mar 24 2023, 10:38 AM
technicalninja   I'm not finished, just starting. multiple days...   Mar 24 2023, 10:44 AM
DRPHIL914   I'm not finished, just starting. multiple day...   Jul 7 2023, 11:14 AM
technicalninja   Not really planning on offering AC systems for any...   Mar 24 2023, 10:47 AM
mepstein   Not really planning on offering AC systems for an...   Mar 24 2023, 11:37 AM
914werke   [quote name='VaccaRabite' post='3067370' date='Ma...   Mar 24 2023, 12:59 PM
Front yard mechanic   Looks like a nice set up if you could incorporate ...   Mar 24 2023, 02:56 PM
technicalninja   I'm running 14-16 hour days right now, 7 days ...   Jul 7 2023, 01:23 PM
Steve   I'm running 14-16 hour days right now, 7 days...   Jul 7 2023, 01:34 PM
bahnzai   I'm running 14-16 hour days right now, 7 day...   Jul 10 2023, 06:20 AM
Steve   I’m running the benling dm18a7 12v compressor. ...   Jul 10 2023, 07:56 AM
914e   Not much more to tell besides what I put in my bl...   Jul 14 2023, 02:27 PM
Steve   Not much more to tell besides what I put in my b...   Jul 14 2023, 05:17 PM
krazykonrad   Thanks for all the AC knowledge! I'm fair ...   Jul 7 2023, 02:16 PM
technicalninja   I’m running the benling dm18a7 12v compressor....   Jul 7 2023, 03:37 PM
76-914   Thx for starting this post. The timing is perfect ...   Jul 7 2023, 06:40 PM
bahnzai   Thanks Steve, that is a great help! @technic...   Jul 10 2023, 01:56 PM
technicalninja   I like hijackers! Go off on any tangent you l...   Jul 10 2023, 04:30 PM
914Toy   Yes, in series. - flow is; to front, onto left rea...   Jul 15 2023, 02:18 PM
914e   Yes, in series. - flow is; to front, onto left re...   Jul 15 2023, 04:11 PM
technicalninja   Strangeness of having both liquid and gas in a sea...   Jul 16 2023, 09:15 PM
76-914   Rick, I appreciate the time you take to provide us...   Jul 16 2023, 09:51 PM


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