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| Joe Bob |
 Aug 14 2005, 08:38 AM
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Some of you know that I am looking at a Speedster replica that needs a motor.....most of ya don't care.....but anyways, I figured that you might enjoy reading the answers I got back from CB Performance.....
They have a pic of a complete engine, dyno charts showing off the wall torque numbers and HP...all Type I VW motors....one shows a turbo'd injected motor and says email for a quote...... So like a gud little lemming, I do it....the subject says "how much for a 200hp, turbo'd injected motor??????" Here's his response.... Take a look at our dyno charts to get an idea of the horsepower range of the engine you need. Click on DYNO CHARTS on our home page. You'll see that there is a big difference power output in VW engines. Pick your power range and I can supply a quote. Bob >>>>>> Um, bob already did that....how much for a 200hp Turbo'd and injected motor? And do ya do T-4s or just T-1s? Response.... 200hp is pushing the envelope for a street engine, but a turn key with dual 44 IDF Webers is $6700.00. Bob >>>>>> OK, Bob....how much for a 200hp Turbo'd and injected motor? And do ya do T-4s or just T-1s? Response..... Turbos are a different subject. From our home page click on TURBO STREET ENGINES. My Spyder is shown, runs on pump gas, turns low 10's and has about 20,000 miles on the engine. Bob >>>>>>>>> OK HOW MUCH?????? Response...... We no longer do the type 4 engine. Type 4 parts are over priced and the engine is over rated. We build type 1 engines that will out perform type 4's and they weight a lot less. Our engines are assembled from all new parts. Type 4's are put together from a combination of rebuilt and new parts as new cases and heads are not available. Bob >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fuch it...... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/flipa.gif) |
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| Mark Henry |
Aug 14 2005, 08:51 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
CB is a type 1 geared biz...they have a way greater (huge) profit margin on a big T1.
This is coming from one of Jakes suppliers (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)
Ummmm...new heads are available (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif) |
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| Joe Bob |
Aug 14 2005, 10:09 AM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Yeah, I know they are Type I only guys.....I just wanted to hear what his opinion was on the T-4.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool_shades.gif)
Obviously he disagrees with VW and most 4 cylinder air cooled engine guys.....I mean, the T1 was dumped for the T-4 due to the fact that the T-4 was more robust.....as recently as last year I was able to source brand new T-4 heads....they were pricey but available. |
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| tat2dphreak |
Aug 14 2005, 10:12 AM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region  |
for 7k, no way would I go t1... I'd be on the phone to Jake!
or I guess you could call Berg (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) |
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| Joe Bob |
Aug 14 2005, 10:17 AM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Bernie? Pass..... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif)
I've been talking with Jake but he's got a bit of a backlog....debating on waiting in line or freshening up up the MFI 2.4/6 I have sitting that I got off ebay. I've been busy too and I just got the 911 back after 6 weeks in the paint shop....prolly gonna be shelved and be my winter project.... |
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| tat2dphreak |
Aug 14 2005, 10:30 AM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
yea, that was a crack... Jake and Bernie aren't buds, last I knew... /6 in a speedster... didn't you do that once already?! I think it needs a big 4 (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) no matter what's pushing it, it will be cool as hell! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beer.gif) |
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| Aaron Cox |
Aug 14 2005, 10:32 AM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
go sixer.....
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| Joe Bob |
Aug 14 2005, 11:07 AM
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Frank is a cutdown coupe....this Speedster is gonna be either the one I keep or sell....depends on how it turns out. |
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| rhodyguy |
Aug 14 2005, 12:08 PM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,072 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
considering your time to sell lengths, i'd say owning and selling is sort of the same thing mike.
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| Joe Bob |
Aug 14 2005, 12:18 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Well....here's to hoping 356s sell quicker..... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool_shades.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beerchug.gif)
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| neo914-6 |
Aug 14 2005, 12:33 PM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
Mike,
This guy was selling one on CL a month ago: 1957 Porsche speedster kit new - $6500 born2bfast@comcast.net |
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| rhodyguy |
Aug 14 2005, 12:45 PM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,072 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
the one mike is considering is more bang for the buck. as in more finished, plug and play. just for driving sake mike could stick a 1600dp in the az car and cruise.
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| Joe Bob |
Aug 14 2005, 12:51 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
speedster
Yeah...here's the one I'm looking at....it was running so all it needs is an interior and an engine. May do a brake upgrade and change out the wheels as well....they seem to be Chebby wheels.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif) Brakes are VW units with drums in the rear... |
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| rhodyguy |
Aug 14 2005, 12:59 PM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,072 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
is the "burned up" engine included in the sale price? what would be included with it if so. carbs and what not? just put trimmed down t-3 units on the back and go cheapo. i bet they are plenty big enough to haul that little car to a stop quickly. i have the old hotvws issue with the tech article when you're ready.
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| Aaron Cox |
Aug 14 2005, 01:02 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
a bad ass car needs a bad ass motor...
turbo type 1 grenade.... or a hot six (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) |
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| Joe Bob |
Aug 14 2005, 01:04 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
He offered but I declined....it's a basket case.....carbs are sold, p&cs are toast....case has been cut and relieved for big jugs and a stroker crank.
If ya know anyone he's selling it.......it's down to a T-4 or a the six I have on a packing crate. You can send me a copy of that T-3 article if ya like.....send me an email and I'll get you my mail address unless you can scan it. Thanks |
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| Mr.C |
Aug 14 2005, 01:07 PM
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Easy does it Group: Members Posts: 611 Joined: 31-December 02 From: Central Cal Member No.: 61 Region Association: None |
I have been inside CB and asked for type4 stuff and got the same response. Called the type4 a boat anchor then explained how awesome their tubro type1 was.
I have ridden in a kit car with their turbo type1 and it was awesome, but it would never stay in tune. Probably the fault of the owner more than anything, but yeah asking about type4 at the counter will get you the "YOUR RETARDED!" look. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/screwy.gif) |
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| rhodyguy |
Aug 14 2005, 01:09 PM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,072 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
then a cool little car for under $10k, turns into a faster cool little car for lots more than $10k aaron. you'll understand when you have a wife, kids, and a mortage. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) tech moron kevin is fighting with the new, scanner/printer/fax. it would be easier just to mail it to you and you mail it back. prob faster too.
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| Andyrew |
Aug 14 2005, 01:53 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California 
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| Mark Henry |
Aug 14 2005, 02:08 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
T1 engine parts outsells T4 parts 10 to1 or more. For the buyer parts are cheaper and for the seller better profits. In CB's case it's way bigger profits. A hot T1 is still a cool engine. |
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