914/6 GT Identification Help needed, 914/6 GT Identification Help needed Options

[xray666666]

Yesterday i have seen at a dealer a 914/6 GT. It has the vehicle identification number is 914 143 0041. I don't know if its is one of the original 32 GTs or if it is one
which has the GT - dealer Kit from Porsche.

Do you know how to identify?
The original paper states that the car was fist time admitted on 12.12.1969.

How much is such a car worth? (original GT version or the normal version
with the GT Kit?)

Thank you for your help,
Christoph

[VegasRacer]

That serial number is not listed on this page of original factory GT's.

[Bleyseng]

I would request a Cardex from Porsche to detrimine its build history. Probably its a M471 car so its value is in its condition. Pics would be nice.

[ArtechnikA]

QUOTE (xray666666 @ Aug 17 2005, 05:47 AM)

Yesterday i have seen at a dealer a 914/6 GT. It has the vehicle identification number is 914 143 0041.... The original paper states that the car was fist time admitted on 12.12.1969.

it would be quite unusual for a car with a 1971 VIN to have been first admitted in 1969...

[Gustl]

I would say it could be a wrong digit

if it's VIN 914 0 43 0041 it would be an early 914-6 and the date could be correct (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool_shades.gif)

if so, it can't be a factory M471 - this option wasn't available in '70

[Gustl]

o.k. - don't ask me why I know, I mustn't tell you (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif)

is this car grey?
is the engine a carbed 2.2S?

if so, IT'S NOT a GT, it's a simple 914-6 with flares ...
originally it was willow green
VIN is 914 1 43 0041 - the admittion date bases on a failure of Austrian authority ...

[Gustl]

sorry Christoph - I completely forgot (IMG:http://www.pff-online.de/wbb2/images/smilies/36.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wavey.gif) a very warm welcome on this board (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wavey.gif)

nice to see one more Austrian here (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/clap.gif)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beerchug.gif) Gustl

[Bleyseng]

Its nice to see anyone new here....welcome! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif)

[xray666666]

Hi,

first of all thank you for the warm welcome. Yes the car is grey and the guy told me that it was green before.

I have to check if the engine has carbed 2.2. If it is possible i'll go to the dealer tomorrow and make some photos, so you could see the car.

The VIN is 914 143 0041
The engine number is 6410 014
first time admitted 12.12.1969 BRD (Republic of Germany - west germany).

I'll try to make some photos and hope that you could tell me how much a car like this would be worth (if engine and so on is ok).

One more thing if it's just a 914/6 with the kit why is in the "Zulassungsschein" (the orignal papers of the authority) the identification "VW - Porsche 914 / 6 GT". Shouldn't it be without the "GT"?
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)

[xray666666]

QUOTE (Bleyseng @ Aug 17 2005, 03:09 AM)

"I would request a Cardex from Porsche to detrimine its build history. Probably its a M471 car so its value is in its condition. Pics would be nice."

Sorry but, what's a CARDEX? What should i ask at Porsche for? And where could i ask? Any email adress?

[Bleyseng]

QUOTE (xray666666 @ Aug 17 2005, 06:22 AM)

The VIN is 914 143 0041 The engine number is 6410 014 first time admitted 12.12.1969 BRD (Republic of Germany - west germany). I'll try to make some photos and hope that you could tell me how much a car like this would be worth (if engine and so on is ok). One more thing if it's just a 914/6 with the kit why is in the "Zulassungsschein" (the orignal papers of the authority) the identification "VW - Porsche 914 / 6 GT". Shouldn't it be without the "GT"? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)

With that admit date of 12.12.69 the VIN should be 914 043 0041 as the fourth number of the six vins indicates the year it was made.

Sooo, is it a 1970 model or a 1971 model 914/6? Check the vin number again.

Hmm, I thought the six cars were Porsche 914/6's not VW/Porsche's in Europe?

[xray666666]

QUOTE (Bleyseng @ Aug 17 2005, 05:33 AM)

With that admit date of 12.12.69 the VIN should be 914 043 0041 as the fourth number of the six vins indicates the year it was made. Sooo, is it a 1970 model or a 1971 model 914/6? Check the vin number again. Hmm, I thought the six cars were Porsche 914/6's not VW/Porsche's in Europe?

I have a copy of the orginal papers in front of me and the VIN is correct. I'll check the VIN within the car.

[Gustl]

do you have a copy of the original German papers with the date in it (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif)

as far as I know, when the car came to Austria the authority had to write new papers (Einzelgenehmigung = Zulassung) and they made the failure
it's their failure too, that the paper says "GT"

I'm pretty sure that the VIN from the papers fit the car

as I told you, it is neither a GT nor a later converted "kit-GT" - it's only a 914-6 with flares and an other engine ...

the CARDEX or Certificate of Authenticity is a kind of "Geburtsurkunde"
it shows all options the car was supplied with when it left factory
in your case I'd contact Porsche Classic in Ludwigsburg
try this: classic-info@porsche.de


in my opinion it's not worth any more than any other flared 914-6 with a stronger engine

[ArtechnikA]

QUOTE (Bleyseng @ Aug 17 2005, 09:33 AM)

I thought the six cars were Porsche 914/6's not VW/Porsche's in Europe?

nope.

Euro 6's were "VW-Porsche-914-6" (i had one, still have a spare badge"

[Gustl]

QUOTE (ArtechnikA @ Aug 17 2005, 04:12 PM)

QUOTE (Bleyseng @ Aug 17 2005, 09:33 AM) I thought the six cars were Porsche 914/6's not VW/Porsche's in Europe? nope. Euro 6's were "VW-Porsche-914-6" (i had one, still have a spare badge"

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/agree.gif)

but there is a difference at the original papers/documents

at all 914-4 they say the producer is "Volkswagen"
at all 914-6 they say the producer is "Porsche"

the horn button is different, too

[xray666666]

QUOTE (Bleyseng @ Aug 17 2005, 05:33 AM)

With that admit date of 12.12.69 the VIN should be 914 043 0041 as the fourth number of the six vins indicates the year it was made. Sooo, is it a 1970 model or a 1971 model 914/6? Check the vin number again.

According to the following URL there are models which where build in 70 and have the fourth digit 1.

http://www.pelicanparts.com/914/technical_...hassis_info.htm

[ArtechnikA]

QUOTE (xray666666 @ Aug 17 2005, 10:23 AM)

According to the following URL there are models which where build in 70 and have the fourth digit 1. http://www.pelicanparts.com/914/technical_...hassis_info.htm

yes, of course. the model year starts around August.

do they show any *1969* build dates with '1' year-date VIN's ?

[Gustl]

there's a failure in this list

they say that the 916s were built in 1969, but as we all know they were built in 1971 (MY 1972) ...
in addition ... there's no 916 VIN 914 2 33 0010 ... the first prototype 916 has VIN 914 1 43 0195

PP should review their info (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

[xray666666]

QUOTE (Gustl @ Aug 17 2005, 06:10 AM)

in my opinion it's not worth any more than any other flared 914-6 with a stronger engine

ok and what's something like that worth? just an indication... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool_shades.gif)

[ken914]

Please find attached a scan of page 8 of the July 1996 Porsche Panorama. This was an atricle titled "Exploring the 914/6 GT Mysteries" and refers to the factory documents regarding GT serial number.

Hope it helps.

If anyone wants this scan in higher resolution send me a PM with your email address.