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Shock Time Capsule, What to do with old low mileage Koni |
DennisV |
Sep 6 2023, 06:22 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 468 Joined: 8-August 20 From: Santa Rosa, CA Member No.: 24,575 Region Association: Northern California |
Sliding down that slippery slope, I decided to pull the shocks since I already had the rest of the suspension off. At least clean them, if not replace. I was amused to find that someone had taken the time to write the date and milage on the front inserts.
Anyone familiar with these red Koni? Google machine didn't turn up much other than they are 914 adjustable and are NLA. They are marked: Front: HEAVY TURN MADE IN HOLLAND Special D 82R 17 Rear: HEAVY TURN NS-REGLAGE 82K 1722 I couldn't find any paint (other than overspray (IMG:style_emoticons/default/barf.gif) ) or other markings on the springs. Best I can tell reading posts, reference books, and the parts catalog a 914-6 would most likely had Boge in black. Which is interesting as there are traces of original gray paint on our lower front strut tubes. Would the tube and inserts have different colors? |
SirAndy |
Sep 6 2023, 07:27 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,640 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
They look an awful lot like vintage red Koni shocks.
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burton73 |
Sep 6 2023, 08:45 PM
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burton73 Group: Members Posts: 3,524 Joined: 2-January 07 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 7,414 Region Association: Southern California |
I believe that you can send them out for rebuilding to Koni?. If I remember right the price for a rebuild is the same as new and if they are NLA well there you have it.
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Krieger |
Sep 6 2023, 10:36 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,711 Joined: 24-May 04 From: Santa Rosa CA Member No.: 2,104 Region Association: None |
I think the Koni Reds are nla. PSI at Sonoma Raceway is a Koni authorized rebuilder. I used them a while back and would use them again.
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DennisV |
Sep 15 2023, 06:18 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 468 Joined: 8-August 20 From: Santa Rosa, CA Member No.: 24,575 Region Association: Northern California |
Back with the car for a few days. A few more shock questions:
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fixer34 |
Sep 15 2023, 07:46 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,085 Joined: 16-September 14 From: Chicago area Member No.: 17,908 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Installed a set of Koni Red adjustable rears about 43 years ago. I think they are squeaking a little, but otherwise still OK.
Scanned the original brochure but it it saved as PDF. Not sure if you can downlaod it? Koni_Red_rear.pdf ( 1.48mb ) Number of downloads: 47 |
SirAndy |
Sep 15 2023, 10:10 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,640 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
Are the red Koni desirable? Yes, they are. Don't toss them in the bin! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
Mikey914 |
Sep 15 2023, 10:25 PM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,667 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None |
I can tell you the springs are not progressive. You should be able to figure out by diameter of the metal and unsprung length.
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DennisV |
Sep 16 2023, 04:28 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 468 Joined: 8-August 20 From: Santa Rosa, CA Member No.: 24,575 Region Association: Northern California |
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rgalla9146 |
Sep 16 2023, 09:15 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,552 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Paramus NJ Member No.: 5,176 Region Association: None |
Examine the springs closely. They often have date of manufacture stamped into the wire near one end. They also often have painted marks on them indicating matched rate. I've seen red, green, and yellow stripes. It's a long time but I seem to remember 914 6s had yellow paint marks. Can anyone confirm/add to this ? |
aturboman |
Sep 16 2023, 11:38 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 135 Joined: 18-October 11 From: CA Member No.: 13,687 Region Association: None |
Examine the springs closely. They often have date of manufacture stamped into the wire near one end. They also often have painted marks on them indicating matched rate. I've seen red, green, and yellow stripes. It's a long time but I seem to remember 914 6s had yellow paint marks. Can anyone confirm/add to this ? Rory you are correct as usual. 914-6 has stampings marked on one end and has 2 yellow paint marks. These are original 6 springs. They are repainted black but hash marks are original. |
porschetub |
Sep 16 2023, 05:28 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,698 Joined: 25-July 15 From: New Zealand Member No.: 18,995 Region Association: None |
Examine the springs closely. They often have date of manufacture stamped into the wire near one end. They also often have painted marks on them indicating matched rate. I've seen red, green, and yellow stripes. It's a long time but I seem to remember 914 6s had yellow paint marks. Can anyone confirm/add to this ? Rory you are correct as usual. 914-6 has stampings marked on one end and has 2 yellow paint marks. These are original 6 springs. They are repainted black but hash marks are original. If its any help in my experiece yellow paint marks indicate standard spring rates on VW cars as with all the mk2 Golfs I have owned ,the heavier mk3 of which I have owned 2 were marked green . Isn't it true that the stock springs were 100 lb ? pretty sure I read that on here but could well be wrong,my "6" conversion has 100 lb rear springs and ride is fine with my small 2.2 motor.. Dennis you should get the struts and shocked tested or do it yourself ,I would suggest being Koni they will be fine,if good replace the bump stops and clean them up and repaint ,shouldn't be hard to get a colour match,also make sure the rubbers in the rear ones are in good condition ,cheers. |
DennisV |
Sep 17 2023, 11:25 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 468 Joined: 8-August 20 From: Santa Rosa, CA Member No.: 24,575 Region Association: Northern California |
Examine the springs closely. They often have date of manufacture stamped into the wire near one end. They also often have painted marks on them indicating matched rate. I've seen red, green, and yellow stripes. It's a long time but I seem to remember 914 6s had yellow paint marks. Can anyone confirm/add to this ? Thanks for the tips. I used an illuminated magnifying glass to circle the spring but could not find any stamping. I haven't removed the springs, so it's possible a marking is hidden under the strut flange. The only paint on it is overspray. Would the Koni shocks have come with springs? FWIW, they are 11mm in diameter. Thanks for the photos. I love seeing original parts. |
Dave_Darling |
Sep 18 2023, 02:01 AM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,986 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
[*]Is there any way to tell the rating of the springs? I couldn't find any markings on them. There are spring testers out there. You can do the measurement without if you have a ruler and some weights or a scale. Spring rates are (in the US) generally measured in lbs/in of deflection, so you need to measure lbs force and inches deflection and divide the one by the other to get the rate. Isn't it true that the stock springs were 100 lb ? No, it is not true. The 100 lb/in ones were sold as "stock replacements" for many years, but the actual stock rates are in the 50-65 lb/in range. I believe the original Six springs were closer to the upper end of that. The factory manual lists measured spring lengths and pressures, but you have to do a bunch of math to get an actual lbs force per inches deflection. I did it once and verified that they were in that 50-65 range. Not going to do that again, it was a trifle much effort for me... --DD |
DennisV |
Oct 5 2023, 05:43 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 468 Joined: 8-August 20 From: Santa Rosa, CA Member No.: 24,575 Region Association: Northern California |
Given that the shocks seem pretty easy to replace and they seem to have low miles on them, I think I am going to give the existing Koni and springs a try. Having the Koni rebuilt appears to be more expensive than new shocks.
For a 914-6, am I correct in understanding that:
I am referencing the great Restorers Guide and Tech Tips 700, but their info is not quite the same. Any reason not to powder coat 2 and 6, save the spindle portion? Here is the remaining paint on #2 as removed from the car. |
914Sixer |
Oct 5 2023, 07:18 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,882 Joined: 17-January 05 From: San Angelo Texas Member No.: 3,457 Region Association: Southwest Region |
By all means use the Konis. Your front struts are Boge therefore they should be gray. Put old bolts in holes when power coating so you to not have to tap them.
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rgalla9146 |
Oct 6 2023, 12:14 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,552 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Paramus NJ Member No.: 5,176 Region Association: None |
Dennis if you intend to run your car lower than original height the rear Konis offer
no adjustment...without aftermarket parts. AFAIK I went with Bilsteins for this feature. On the front as well of course. |
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