Early vs Late 914 part identification, Is there a visual or dimensional reference available? |
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Early vs Late 914 part identification, Is there a visual or dimensional reference available? |
Patient914Guy |
Sep 29 2023, 06:04 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 8-March 22 From: Louisville, Ky Member No.: 26,386 Region Association: None |
After finally digging into my 914 that has been stored for years, I have come to realize it's a Frankenteener. It's titled as a 74 2.0 and the Vin in the window is right for that year but I have found the body to be of Jan 72 vintage. The engine is a GA series 2.0 so now I'm wondering about suspension and brakes, etc. I have a feeling that I will need to research every piece to determine early vs late. Any advice on making the process easier is appreciated.
Ted |
mepstein |
Sep 29 2023, 07:00 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,279 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Is it clipped or a vin switch? I have a 914 with a 74 vin but an early body. It was “restored” by a shop but really just pieced together from many random spare parts. Some things change on different years. Early wheels are 70-71 but early trans ( tail shift) was 70-72. Early bumpers 80-74, etc.
There is no guide to early vs late but if you can post pictures, it’s easy to tell. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) |
Gint |
Sep 29 2023, 08:34 PM
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Mike Ginter Group: Admin Posts: 16,075 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Denver CO. Member No.: 20 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Why do you think it's a 72 body? Are you certain of that? If so, what leads you to believe that?
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Gint |
Sep 29 2023, 08:36 PM
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Mike Ginter Group: Admin Posts: 16,075 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Denver CO. Member No.: 20 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
And just a friendly (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)
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Patient914Guy |
Sep 30 2023, 05:49 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 8-March 22 From: Louisville, Ky Member No.: 26,386 Region Association: None |
And just a friendly (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thisthreadisworthlesswithoutpics.gif) Definitely a 74 VIN put in the window of an earlier tub. It's not a clip since the whole body sports the original Willow green under the current white. Looks like I'll just post when I have questions on specific parts. |
Patient914Guy |
Sep 30 2023, 05:51 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 8-March 22 From: Louisville, Ky Member No.: 26,386 Region Association: None |
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Patient914Guy |
Sep 30 2023, 05:52 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 8-March 22 From: Louisville, Ky Member No.: 26,386 Region Association: None |
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BENBRO02 |
Sep 30 2023, 06:05 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 481 Joined: 6-March 15 From: Nokesville, Virginia Member No.: 18,493 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I’d be worried that someone stole the 72 and then switched the windshield VIN plate.
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Literati914 |
Sep 30 2023, 07:02 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,463 Joined: 16-November 06 From: Dallas, TX Member No.: 7,222 Region Association: Southwest Region |
What’s the build date code @ the right rear trunk floor?
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Jack Standz |
Sep 30 2023, 07:57 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 278 Joined: 15-November 19 From: Happy Place (& surrounding area) Member No.: 23,644 Region Association: None |
Willow green only available as stock in '71 & '72.
Two different VINs. Tend to agree that it's probably an earlier car with a different and later VIN added in the windshield area. Might be stolen or trying to make this into a later 2 liter car? Something strange or nefarious going on here? |
wonkipop |
Sep 30 2023, 08:53 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,318 Joined: 6-May 20 From: north antarctica Member No.: 24,231 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
@Patient914Guy
The Karmann Production Plate roughly stacks up with the Vin in the front trunk. its about 9.5 K into 72 MY production. lets say they built a 100 a day. which they kind of did approximately. thats about 19-20 weeks of production after 72 start up. which is around Aug of 1971. (whether its the start of august or later not sure). 19-20 weeks after aug 71 lands at 2nd or 3rd week of Dec 71 at a minimum. possibly a little later in reality- more like some time in Jan 72. The K plate says its week 4 of the calendar year its made in (but never indicates the year itself). week 4 = Jan. its a tuesday car. probably 25th Jan 1972. If the Vin in the windscreen was correct, that would make it about 2.5K into 74 MY production. or about 5-6 weeks into production (assuming a 100 a day). that would put it at sept 1973 sometime for a K plate. the K plate would have from 36 to 40 as the first two numbers. The Vin in the windscreen does not even come close to the K plate. L63 on the K plate checks out for willow green. no willow green in 74 MY as other posters point out. my conclusion like others is the windscreen Vin plate is suss. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) i'd probably agree with Jack Standz suggestion that its a "faked up" 2.0 from way back in the day. could be passed off as one if you were not observant enough to check the other vin stamps. not necessarily stolen. the 2.0 engine in the car kind of points to the fake up. i've spotted a couple of 74MY 2.0s on BAT that i don't think could ever have been real 2.0s. they were built during the period Nov 73 to Jan 74 and from all the research we have been doing on L jets, all they built for those three months were 1.8 L jets, no 2.0 L cars. |
brant |
Oct 1 2023, 12:01 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,625 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
A thousand folks
Including myself Have put 2.0 into early chassis But I would guess hardly any of those people would change a vin It’s illegal for one thing I would guess there was a good insurance reason someone changed the vin Totaled car? Flood damage? Or stolen most likely Has to be a nefarious reason for someone to break the law |
rhodyguy |
Oct 1 2023, 12:06 PM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,081 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
Attempt to avoid a branded title?
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mepstein |
Oct 1 2023, 12:22 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,279 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
But in the other hand, like mine, there’s a good chance it happened 20.30.40 years ago and what’s done is done.
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Blue6 |
Oct 1 2023, 02:56 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,035 Joined: 3-October 13 From: SoCal Member No.: 16,470 Region Association: Southern California |
Ted, if you have a cop friend, ask him or her to run the VIN stamped in the frunk for “information only”. That way if it does come back stolen it doesn’t set off all the bells and whistles. If it isn’t reported stolen, it will probably come back no record on file. Either way, it’s going to require a trip to your department of motor vehicles. Are you in contact with the seller? Ask him or her to shed some light. Recommend you be proactive. It won’t fix itself.
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Patient914Guy |
Oct 1 2023, 04:40 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 8-March 22 From: Louisville, Ky Member No.: 26,386 Region Association: None |
I've actually owned the car for 20+ years. The window VIN and title matched at purchase so I didn't check any further. I drove it for a bit until an engine knock developed. Life happened before I got it on the road again and Its been garage stored ever since. No contact with the previous owner and his name is lost to time. I 'll see what I can find out from the DMV. Not sure what kind of resolution would be involved if they did turn up something. Guess we'll find out. Will keep everyone posted.
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