914 outlaw Type R - Continous Improvement Thread, Jan 2024 - New Exhaust Muffler Options

[fasthonda]

After a long break I have the desire again to continue improving the Type R, Nothing major, just details. Thought I would create post to share. Will post as I go. Mike

1. Painted the Fuchs a dark gray. They were silver. These are 15x7 w/ 205/50 all around. Been thinking about putting 6's in the front as I prefer the staggard look.

[Chris914n6]

Nice.

Unless you changed the weight balance, you should stay square as the factory tuned it. Narrower fronts will understeer more.

[DRPHIL914]

looks good! i like the dark grey better, hows the car running??

[Freezin 914]

First time seeing your car, looks great!

[Cairo94507]

That is a great looking 914. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[mepstein]

Nice.

Unless you changed the weight balance, you should stay square as the factory tuned it. Narrower fronts will understeer more.

But then again, GT cars are usually staggered. 7 front, 8 rear.

[DRPHIL914]

Nice.

Unless you changed the weight balance, you should stay square as the factory tuned it. Narrower fronts will understeer more.

But then again, GT cars are usually staggered. 7 front, 8 rear.

i am running the 205/55-16 6's and 7's which came from a 1980 SC 911, i have not noticed an understeer issue , i have done autocross and other spirited driving, but i do have 1/2" spacers on the front so i dont rub on full turn inside fender, so maybe that compensates enough to reduced the potential under steer?

Phil

[TP914]

Looks good !

[Chris914n6]

Nice.

Unless you changed the weight balance, you should stay square as the factory tuned it. Narrower fronts will understeer more.

But then again, GT cars are usually staggered. 7 front, 8 rear.

heavier motor. traction issues cuz race car. apples to oranges.

[Literati914]

Out of curiosity what's the weight difference between a VW type4 and a Honda F20C?

[mepstein]

Nice.

Unless you changed the weight balance, you should stay square as the factory tuned it. Narrower fronts will understeer more.

But then again, GT cars are usually staggered. 7 front, 8 rear.

heavier motor. traction issues cuz race car. apples to oranges.

No I mean the typical flared 914. I drove Oscar’s flared Raby four cylinder car for WCR. 7&8’s. The car drove great for me. I’ve driven a bunch of flared 914-6’s and all but one were staggered. A six engine adds about the same weight as a male passenger so added weight is pretty neutral. I know Dr Phil drove his narrow body copper metallic car wit staggered 6&7’s. Auto x’d it as well. I just don’t see warning off a staggered set of tires if that’s what you want. It just doesn’t seem to make much of a difference in real life.

Funny, I didn’t even see Phil’s post till later.

[Chris914n6]

Nice.

Unless you changed the weight balance, you should stay square as the factory tuned it. Narrower fronts will understeer more.

But then again, GT cars are usually staggered. 7 front, 8 rear.

i am running the 205/55-16 6's and 7's which came from a 1980 SC 911, i have not noticed an understeer issue , i have done autocross and other spirited driving, but i do have 1/2" spacers on the front so i dont rub on full turn inside fender, so maybe that compensates enough to reduced the potential under steer?

Phil

Your tires are the same size (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MDq23scaWw

[fasthonda]

Thanks to everyone for their comments and kind words. I'm al little surprised about the staggard vs square discussion. I would say the 205 on a 7 will perform better than on a 6, so the square setup would have an advantage. But to be honest I never intend to compete with this car or track it.

I have yet to drive it at the limit to evaluate the baseline suspension setup. I have a Carrera front end with a stock 15mm bar. In the rear I'm running 200 lb/in linear rate springs. Dampers are Bilstein sports F/R. My plan is to adjust the rear spring rate to achieve slight understeer.

If I go staggard for style, I was thinking of putting 6 inch cookie cutters up front to give it a unique look. They would be painted the same color.

I redid the badging on the rear and steering wheel and will post those this weekend. Also ordered some Lexan for the GT style engine access door.

Because the car has been sitting a while, I had a brake caliper freeze up and the fuel line connections were weeping. Those have been solved. Probably get the car out for a drive in a few weeks and post some long awaited video.

I have never weighed the car, but I would guess the F20C weighs similar to a flat 6. 

Mike

[Literati914]

..Unless you changed the weight balance..

..but I would guess the F20C weighs similar to a flat 6. 
Mike

Yeah I was thinking the honda engine would have constituted a weight change from stock, and therefore the point that Chris was making, while certainly valid might not necessarily apply here.

I know you've mention cookies, but if you're interested I've got a set of really nice repro Fuchs [deep 6, 15x6 ET36 with "hearts" no less].. and have considered doing a wider wheel in the back of my ride since I'll be running a H6 at some point. If you're interested in working out a 2 for 2 trade of some kind, lmk .. I could send pics if interested. You car looks great BTW (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

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[Chris914n6]

A quick search puts the F20c fully loaded at 326 lbs, so pretty close to the T4 loaded. My vq30de is 370 lbs full swap (read everything I changed). I actually dropped my rear springs from 180 to 140 progressives.
A -6FI loaded was over 450 lbs IIRC. Boxer engines have alot of extra metal.

[fasthonda]

Went Gt Style on the back with a 356 hubcap badge. Did the same on the steering wheel, just a different style. Very pleased on how the look. I plan on adding the VW Porsche badge to the rear when I can find a reasonably priced one.






Made up a Lexan cover for the firewall engine access. I have a steel one, but I think the Lexan is way cooler. With a heat gun I was able to radius the sides for a better fit.

[eric9144]

The lexan window is pretty dang cool (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chowtime.gif)

[Shivers]

Went Gt Style on the back with a 356 hubcap badge. Did the same on the steering wheel, just a different style. Very pleased on how the look. I plan on adding the VW Porsche badge to the rear when I can find a reasonably priced one.

Made up a Lexan cover for the firewall engine access. I have a steel one, but I think the Lexan is way cooler. With a heat gun I was able to radius the sides for a better fit.

It does look really cool. I do not know how fire proof lexan is, but I have to say that is your firewall. Sorry, I don’t mean to be a dick.

[DRPHIL914]

Went Gt Style on the back with a 356 hubcap badge. Did the same on the steering wheel, just a different style. Very pleased on how the look. I plan on adding the VW Porsche badge to the rear when I can find a reasonably priced one.

Made up a Lexan cover for the firewall engine access. I have a steel one, but I think the Lexan is way cooler. With a heat gun I was able to radius the sides for a better fit.

@fasthonda I like it!!! BTW i like the new Fuchs color too and i have a suggestion, i think the sail panels would look really cool that color !

Phil

[DRPHIL914]

Nice.

Unless you changed the weight balance, you should stay square as the factory tuned it. Narrower fronts will understeer more.

But then again, GT cars are usually staggered. 7 front, 8 rear.

i am running the 205/55-16 6's and 7's which came from a 1980 SC 911, i have not noticed an understeer issue , i have done autocross and other spirited driving, but i do have 1/2" spacers on the front so i dont rub on full turn inside fender, so maybe that compensates enough to reduced the potential under steer?

Phil

Your tires are the same size (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MDq23scaWw

@Chris914n6

true, but, tread contact on ground is wider by 3/4" when stretched across a 7" rim VS 6" rim , i know its not much but it is a difference. I did recently have 7" on the front fora few days while my 6" were getting new tires and i didnt get to drive spiritedly or test it out to see how theat felt and partly due to those tires being 8 years old. Got new tires due to heavy wear from excess front camber- forgot to take te extra camber out of the alignment last year after aX and so i wore them a bit faster thus some vibration at 75mph, anyway just an FYI, - i thing the OP's car looks like it would be hoot to drive!