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> E-85 fuel released in louisville, 85% Corn Ethanol fuel
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post Aug 18 2005, 09:00 PM
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saw this on the local news today....

question is...how flexible is our engines and carbs for alternative fuels?

i was thinking not flexible at all, but i was just asking...
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post Aug 18 2005, 09:07 PM
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Carbs can be adjusted easily enough. The main question is how the rubber seals will react to the ethanol, and if it will cause any increase in corrosion with the particular alloys used in the engine.
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post Aug 18 2005, 09:12 PM
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so basically its a trial and error thing??

I could be a guinea pig....

its only 2.09 vs. like 2.4x

i think it's good because for one the money is going back to the US.
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post Aug 18 2005, 09:44 PM
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I wonder about milage, if I remember right, Ethanaol has a lower btu value, so that means less power. Also remember reading somewhere that ethanaol will break any crap that's in your fuel system lose, so stock up on fuel filters. Or maybe invest in fuel filter stock, lol.

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post Aug 18 2005, 09:54 PM
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Eats up the exhaust.....unless it's completely stainless steel.
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post Aug 18 2005, 10:16 PM
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so just stainless exhaust...that's it

what about stainless exhaust valves?

i'm curious...

right now, my whole exhaust is like rusted....tried sanding down and hitting it with ceramic paint, just burned off...
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post Aug 18 2005, 10:48 PM
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watch out for the corn kernels in your fuel filter
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post Aug 18 2005, 11:22 PM
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Plus it has a nasty aftertaste...
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post Aug 19 2005, 12:53 AM
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QUOTE (bd1308 @ Aug 18 2005, 11:12 PM)
so basically its a trial and error thing??

I could be a guinea pig....

its only 2.09 vs. like 2.4x

i think it's good because for one the money is going back to the US.

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You already are a guinea pig. You commit blatant acts of science fiction, most days.



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post Aug 19 2005, 06:40 AM
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QUOTE (jonwatts @ Aug 18 2005, 11:22 PM)
Plus it has a nasty aftertaste...

drinking it is not a good idea....

miles drank it and look at him now....

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post Aug 19 2005, 06:55 AM
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QUOTE (DonTraver @ Aug 18 2005, 07:44 PM)
I wonder about milage, if I remember right, Ethanaol has a lower btu value, so that means less power.

I saw an article in one of the auto rags I read that suggested the opposite. The ethanol burns more completely. The article also said that it had sort of a catalyst effect on the petro fuel part making it burn more completely as well. Maybe the efficiency of the burn makes up for the lower BTU? In any case it is locally produced and renewable - gotta love it. If it is available find a way to make it work.
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post Aug 19 2005, 06:59 AM
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it's a bit far--but i'd make the trip to try it out

i think i'm going to do like 1/2 1/2 and see what happens

i figure if the exhust goes...i get a new one..

if that happens, i'll go with a muffler...

like a mittlemotor one.
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The use it in Brazil....out of sugar cane and beets. The entrained water rusts the exhaust.

Yes, it's a "renewable" resource but it's more expensive than oil and is subsidized by the government.
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post Aug 19 2005, 07:02 AM
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IIRC - Saab just released a car that runs on both gas and ethanol. Because of its programming and (I hope this is correct) ethanols ability to compress more than non-race octane gas, this car produces more power with the ethanol. It made since to me when you think about all of the alcohol drag cars out there. Ethanol is basically gas with an alcohol component. But, in Saab's case the car was turboed and a normal engine might not be able to pump enough air in to utilize the amount of ethanol (air is usually the limiting reactant in any combustion sequence). I have no idea about gas mileage, I was more interested in the Saabs 180hp with ethanol, and like 150 without.
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post Aug 19 2005, 07:06 AM
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Ok. I was right. Typically ethanol fuel is of a higher octane so it resists pre detination better than conventional gas. Because of this the compression of a car running on ethanol can be increased, or the boost can be cranked up (as Saab did)

Here's part of an article explaning that.
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post Aug 19 2005, 07:12 AM
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QUOTE (SEEMORE BUTZ @ Aug 19 2005, 07:00 AM)
The use it in Brazil....out of sugar cane and beets. The entrained water rusts the exhaust.

Yes, it's a "renewable" resource but it's more expensive than oil and is subsidized by the government.

i dunno about brazil

but here the ethanol is 2.10/gal
and 87 is 2.53/gal
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post Aug 19 2005, 07:16 AM
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IT IS GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZED EVERYWHERE. Including here (mostly up north), europe and south america.
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post Aug 19 2005, 07:28 AM
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if oil is cheaper, then why would the price be lower?

but on the inverse, it's supply/demand...

its gonna get lower....
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post Aug 19 2005, 07:31 AM
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Dood, you're in KY...it's just bourbon that didn't pass the taste test. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)
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post Aug 19 2005, 07:35 AM
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yup....

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