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> are two-throat webers made?
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post Aug 24 2005, 10:19 AM
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i like the look of triple throat webers, but i have a /4.....

just wondering if i'm making stuff up again...

ignore this if you must
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post Aug 24 2005, 10:21 AM
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post Aug 24 2005, 10:35 AM
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Yes. The IDF that everyone mentions when they talk about "dual Webers" have two-throats each, and two are used per car, so four throats total. They're about $250 used on Ebay with no manifolds, linkage, or filters. Figure roughly $500 to have a complete set bolted to the car.
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post Aug 24 2005, 10:38 AM
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QUOTE (lapuwali @ Aug 24 2005, 11:35 AM)
Yes. The IDF that everyone mentions when they talk about "dual Webers" have two-throats each, and two are used per car, so four throats total. They're about $250 used on Ebay with no manifolds, linkage, or filters. Figure roughly $500 to have a complete set bolted to the car.

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IDF=dual throat... which is what we told you go go with to start with (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

the progresive may be great on a beetle, but not a TIV... in addition to ebay, check samba and STF, people sell them used enough that you don't have to break your wallet and get a "new" set... buy a rebuild kit from aircooled.net with any used ones and they will be good as new
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post Aug 24 2005, 10:59 AM
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dual throat Webers are not made.

they are grown, in the zinc-rich volcanic soil outside Modena, in Italy. they take a long time to mature, hence the high cost.

sometimes, like a double-yolk egg, triple-throat Webers sprout. they are highly prized by the 911 and 914.6 owner.

if a Weber plant is not staked up and grows along the ground, the result is sidedraft carburetors, such as the DCOE.

Dellortos are grown over on the other side of the valley, from seeds spirited away from the Weber farm by disgruntled employees in the dead of night.

"not a lot of people know that."
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post Aug 24 2005, 11:00 AM
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I must.
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post Aug 24 2005, 11:40 AM
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What's a Weber? Something you cook hamburgers on?

/MFI guy
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post Aug 24 2005, 11:40 AM
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I heard a rumour this week that the 40 IDF plantation is being moved from Italy to Japan and that they are shortly going to be coming out of former rice paddies? Any truth to this rumour? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)
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post Aug 24 2005, 11:57 AM
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QUOTE (ArtechnikA @ Aug 24 2005, 11:59 AM)
dual throat Webers are not made.

they are grown, in the zinc-rich volcanic soil outside Modena, in Italy. they take a long time to mature, hence the high cost.

sometimes, like a double-yolk egg, triple-throat Webers sprout. they are highly prized by the 911 and 914.6 owner.

if a Weber plant is not staked up and grows along the ground, the result is sidedraft carburetors, such as the DCOE.

Dellortos are grown over on the other side of the valley, from seeds spirited away from the Weber farm by disgruntled employees in the dead of night.

"not a lot of people know that."

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post Aug 24 2005, 12:15 PM
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QUOTE (aircooledboy @ Aug 24 2005, 10:57 AM)
QUOTE (ArtechnikA @ Aug 24 2005, 11:59 AM)
dual throat Webers are not made.

they are grown, in the zinc-rich volcanic soil outside Modena, in Italy.  they take a long time to mature, hence the high cost.

sometimes, like a double-yolk egg, triple-throat Webers sprout.  they are highly prized by the 911 and 914.6 owner.

if a Weber plant is not staked up and grows along the ground, the result is sidedraft carburetors, such as the DCOE.

Dellortos are grown over on the other side of the valley, from seeds spirited away from the Weber farm by disgruntled employees in the dead of night.

"not a lot of people know that."

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yep... IDA's and IDF's are both two barrel down drafts....

Idf's are available in 36mm, 40mm, 44mm, and 48mm sizes....
good luck finding some rare 36mm's (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)
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post Aug 24 2005, 12:16 PM
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I heard a rumour this week that the 40 IDF plantation is being moved from Italy to Japan and that they are shortly going to be coming out of former rice paddies? Any truth to this rumour?  


I heard the same thing, but instead of Japan it was China. Doesn't PMO have their hardware made in china? Weber also had available the 48 IDA in a 2 throat model. It would use the same floats & hardware as the triple throat model that our 6 cylinder bros like to use.
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post Aug 24 2005, 12:20 PM
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Great post, Rich...

Weber carb production moved from Italy to Spain some time ago, and the current rumor is the Spanish factory is also closed. Some say it's a temporary strike, others say a strike drove the last nail and Weber is out of the carb business entirely. Mikuni (in Japan) has been making Solex sidedraft carb clones for years (under license), and many people confuse these with DCOE clones, which they're not, though they will work with an appropriate manifold. The Dell Orto factory stopped production of their Weber clones many years ago.

There are rumors that Chinese made IDF and DCOE clones will be flooding the market very soon. Some say what EMPI sells are Chinese made right now. This rumor is one thing depressing the used market for IDFs and DCOEs now. There are enough Italian-made IDFs available on the used market that I've never even seen a Spanish-made unit, and I've had 5-6 sets of these carbs, and have looked at several dozen others.
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post Aug 24 2005, 12:29 PM
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you also can always get a pair of PMO's and just run 'em through a bandsaw. make sure you keep the pair with the Siamesed float bowl :-)
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post Aug 24 2005, 01:13 PM
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My local VW shop (I sell to them), informed me last week that production has begun again on Webers. He is able to get IDF style, but not DCOE style.

I really wanted to ignore Britt.....I think his brain has rotted from too much in-breeding and sour mash....
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post Aug 24 2005, 01:21 PM
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QUOTE (tat2dphreak @ Aug 24 2005, 12:38 PM)
the progresive may be great on a beetle, but not a TIV...

It's a POS on a beetle too (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

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kinda like this britt???

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QUOTE (URY914 @ Aug 24 2005, 09:00 AM)
QUOTE (bd1308 @ Aug 24 2005, 08:19 AM)

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I must.

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But when you get money I have a complete set up for sale 40 IDF. Too big for your whimpy 1.7L stock cammed racer.
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post Aug 24 2005, 01:57 PM
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Aaron,

That sight brings back memories (prior to the 3.2). Is that yours? Looks like the "good" linkage that doesn't flex that much.


Britt,

I wouldn't go less than 44's on a 2.0 engine as you can't get chokes large enough for the 40's.

I would take a closer look at aftermarket FI instead of going down the carb road (again).

(just my $0.02)
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post Aug 24 2005, 01:59 PM
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I wouldn't go less than 44's on a 2.0 engine as you can't get chokes large enough for the 40's.

I would take a closer look at aftermarket FI instead of going down the carb road (again).

(just my $0.02)

I agree with the aftermarket FI...

however, you can jet 40s for a 2.0 or 2056 fine... ac.net and CB both have the parts
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post Aug 24 2005, 02:06 PM
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Yes, 40s with 32mm vents are quite enough for a 2056 that doesn't have too wild a cam. 44s are only required for full-race 2056s or bigger engines, IMHO.

And yes, aftermarket EFI will work better still...
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