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| bd1308 |
 Aug 24 2005, 10:19 AM
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Sir Post-a-lot  Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501  |
i like the look of triple throat webers, but i have a /4.....
just wondering if i'm making stuff up again... ignore this if you must |
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| flesburg |
Aug 24 2005, 08:04 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 506 Joined: 22-November 04 From: Pontiac, IL Member No.: 3,162 |
I have a complete weber set up for a 2.0, intakes, carbs, CB linkage, tall air cleaners, intake horns, proper distributor, and boxes of chokes, main and idle jets.
Interested? |
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| Trekkor |
Aug 24 2005, 08:08 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
from the posts and threads I've read of late, I'll take that to mean: "I'd rather work on my car and never drive it". (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif) How much is an aftermarket F.I. BTW? Way more than carbs, I promise you that. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) carbs are so simple and they work. If you want fuel efficiency and reliability, the 914 is the wrong car. We all know that. We won't all admit that. But, we all know. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) See, look what you've made me become. KT |
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| bd1308 |
Aug 24 2005, 08:14 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
wait...you opened pandora's box man....
MS is like 300 assembled and everything.... the kit is less than that. I am very good at soldering so I was going to get the kit..... tuning and laptop equip is free.... how do you figure the cost difference? |
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| Trekkor |
Aug 24 2005, 08:25 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
Time is money.
Maybe I'm way off, and if I am, I'll admit that openly. I just don't see the crowds running any aftermarket F.I. with fantastic results. the carbs go on in an afternoon and that's it. you're done...and they win. I'd just like to know the *actual* price for any aftermarket F.I. and an estimated time to install and tune to the point where you can go and enjoy the car without taking the lap-top in the passenger seat. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) You made me do it again... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif) KT |
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| bd1308 |
Aug 24 2005, 08:36 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
so what you're saying is that I could have a carb setup going in a day? i think that if i had MS, I would keep a laptop in my car..... i'm not worried about it being stolen, it's a 2 inch thick Thinkpad 380...pentium 133. |
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| Trekkor |
Aug 24 2005, 08:37 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
And try this tasy tidbit. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/chowtime.gif)
All this "carbs won't work with the stock cam"... is *MYTH*. Back that up with hard evidence you demand ( pounding fist on table ). Certainly. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) One of our local 914 a/x pros used to run his duals on his 2.0 hot cammed motor. He blew that motor, but still wanted to race. So he bolted them onto an old stock 1.8 with no adjustments. Guess what? The motor runs fantastic. No issues. Could it run better? maybe. ...beat me by 1/2 second and 80 other drivers. he missed TTOD by less than a second. Albert Correia can drive. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/clap.gif) See for yourself KT |
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| ArtechnikA |
Aug 24 2005, 08:38 PM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
correct me if i'm wrong but IIRC that $300 kit doesn't include the wideband O2 sensor it really requires to dial in an unknown engine.
you can get into the base level kit if you're running the same production engine as other guys who've done the dyno tuning and are willing to share their maps. in a competitive environment, i wouldn't bet my last shekel you're getting the *best* map :-) ... and with carbs - you can bolt them on and be *close* in an afternoon. once you're in the ballpark with a broad strokes characterisation of your engine, the *real* tuning can begin to optimise. some kind of instrumentation (wideband O2, CO, 5-gas... *something*) is still needed to really dial spot on. or - again - if you have an engine that's just like everybdy else's - you order up their jets and decree it close enough. a little lean on top? bigger main jet? smaller air correction? different emulsion tube? you need a big box of spare parts to *really* dial in a set of carbs... so i think you've both underestimated the scope of the task a bit, unless you're willing to settle for the "close enough" solution. the advantage of a closed-loop EFI is that it'll eventually self-correct, but carbs are what they are forever (or until the weather changes :-) ....) |
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| bd1308 |
Aug 24 2005, 08:39 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/agree.gif) i fully agree with that...I have *NO* problem with my FI cammed motor and the carbs.... my P-mechanic didn't like the idea at all, but we both agreed that my FI was toast. |
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| ArtechnikA |
Aug 24 2005, 08:44 PM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
of course, because that's not what the statement really is... the "urban legend" hot-rod tuner myth is that you can bolt on carbs *and go faster*. that's what's not true. carbs run just fine with stock cams but they don't add power. IOW - the cam - not the induction - is the bottleneck. i ran small Dellortos on a 1,7 and they were fine. i got no more power, but i did gain reliability. this was 25 years ago before the body of DJet knowledge was available to all. it was the right decision to make then, and i wish i'd kept the carbs when the car went away, but nowadays, i'd just fix the FI... |
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| Trekkor |
Aug 24 2005, 08:44 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
yes... If you know the size of your motor. ( And you do.) Ask the board ( or Jake, nicely ) what jet/choke combo works and install "that" during the rebuild if you buy used ones. KT |
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| Joe Ricard |
Aug 24 2005, 08:54 PM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
You know what pisses me off more than anything?
I keep coming back to Britt's threads. It's like I can't believe I get sucked into the madness. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ar15.gif) I guess that makes me (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/owned.gif) |
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| bd1308 |
Aug 24 2005, 08:56 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
what typically goes wrong with carbs?
I'm real intrested in a dual carb setup, and I figure that gas prices, when added up over X amount of time, still don't equal the price of a quality engine rebuild...so it's not worth getting 30MPG in trade for destroying my engine. Granted I am running a 1.7 and I was strongly urged to go with a dual carb setup when I rebuild my 2.0...so I believe that the single carb, while not optimal by any means, won't contribute to my engine's demise. I want to publically thank Ron for shipping me this engine...thanks ron your a lifesaver! |
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| ArtechnikA |
Aug 24 2005, 09:03 PM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
nothing. guys on the 356 list light up their 50-year-old 1,5-1,7 liter engines with 50 year old Solexes and drive every day. EVENTUALLY the throttle shaft bores wear and leak air. the butterflies sometimes wear. (these are 30-50 year items...) the gaskets dry out, the float bowls get enough little bits of crud (they are vented to atmosphere...) idle jets plug. accel pump diaphragms split. so every 10 years or so you take them apart, clean everything, replace the gaskets and such and you're back in service. how long do the FI guys go without having to clean injectors. same thing... |
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| SirAndy |
Aug 24 2005, 09:03 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,669 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
or you decide to attend a 2 day event in reno ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) britt, don't listen to trek, he's never had any type of testing equipment hooked up to his motor to even know *how* his engine is running. much less a dyno run ... either way, if you want your engine to run right, you *WILL* spend time tuning your engine, Carbs or FI ... for me, using the laptop is easier than fiddeling with with a whole box of jets and tubes and stuff ... it all comes down to personal preference ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smash.gif) Andy |
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| Trekkor |
Aug 24 2005, 09:15 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/lol2.gif) Good advice... KT ( no blue smoke-no black smoke...I'm good to go, Bro ) |
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| bd1308 |
Aug 24 2005, 09:22 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
i'm a computer guy, but the only fuel injection i've ever had was d-jet and it was a nightmare.....
i had do re-do SO many connectors.....and it still sucked. i have no idea how hard/easy it is for aftermarket FI, but I know if I can set up a windows 2000 domain server and a linux server and learn php, i can tune a car with a laptop. but the carbs were good, no problem there yet. |
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| sean_v8_914 |
Aug 24 2005, 10:00 PM
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Chingon 601 Group: Members Posts: 4,011 Joined: 1-February 05 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,541 |
Due to a Strike At Weber In Brazil, Weber Kits Have been Increased. Dual "EMPI" 44MM IDF Carb Kit.............. Price $749.95 http://www.strictlyforeign.com/ |
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| sean_v8_914 |
Aug 24 2005, 10:03 PM
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Chingon 601 Group: Members Posts: 4,011 Joined: 1-February 05 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,541 |
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| bd1308 |
Aug 24 2005, 10:36 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
wow, so this is it huh?
i have a nice warm feeling now, and I like the way those carbs look.... |
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| Mueller |
Aug 24 2005, 11:00 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None 
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You can download and run the software for free for most of them, the manuals are also availabe to download for free. Everything is a google search away. Your best bet is read the Megasquirt manual, knowing how to solder is not the key element here...READING the entire manual is key, it'll step you thru building and tuning. It breaks everything down to the simplest terms, no real prior experiance needed. An WBO2 is useful and will pay for itself very quickly...the LC-1 is only $200 and it'll work with almost all EFI's and you can use your laptop to datalog and get all kinds of cool information about your motor. You do not need to keep a laptop in the car, once tuned, you shouldn't have to tweak it unless you do something major like add a turbocharger. Even my EFI, the Link has the software available to download for free as well as the wiring manual and tuning manual (windows based for most of them, some still use DOS..actually one of the most expensive and best EFI use DOS based programming)
individual fuel injection throttle bodies look better (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) |
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