 Axle & Cv question, 915 trans to 914/6 hubs |
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| RON S. |
  Sep 16 2005, 05:15 AM
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9140430841, FINALLY RUNNING  Group: Members Posts: 1,212 Joined: 22-May 03 From: WALTERBORO,S.C. Member No.: 724 Region Association: South East States  |
I wanna get some opinions on axle setups for the last leg of my 6r.
The car is an original 6,but it now sports a 993 engine,and 915 gearbox. Every system on the car is now fully functional,and is fully roadworthy. The last item left now,is acquiring CV's and a set of conversion axles. I'm gonna buy a pair of Empi 930 race Cv's for the trans flanges,as in the photo.And I'm gonna contact Sway-Away to have 'm make me an axle setup. Now for the quexchun. What to do,with the out board cv on the wheel end?The original hub is a 914/6 unit .4 bolt setup w/a Lobro cv. Some recent discussion involved using 944 flanges wjich would upgrade to the 911 6 bolt cv. Should I maybe should I maybe find & Modify a better flange to fit,or is the original unit satisfactory to use,and just get a conversion axle made. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) Attached image(s) 
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| Aaron Cox |
Sep 16 2005, 10:05 AM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
save some money and go with 944 tubo CV's....(cheap and can handle plenty o' power)
6 bolt 915 flanges > 944 CV > Stock /4 cyl Axle > 944 CV > 944 stub axle / custom 3/16th spacer > early 911 hub or 914/6 hub then you have LARGE CV's that use 6 bolts to fasten.. |
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| ClayPerrine |
Sep 16 2005, 10:05 AM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,465 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille 
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My suggestion would be to use a 914/4 axle, modify one end to use the 944 CV. Then put the correct flanges into the 915.
The outboard end would use the standard 914 cv joint. The inboard would use a 944 CV joint. You don't have to mod the hubs or buy special axles for this. |
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| brp914 |
Sep 16 2005, 11:03 AM
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sorry, can't answer - got same dilemma, but whats your shift set-up? Wevo? velios? other?
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| RON S. |
Sep 16 2005, 12:47 PM
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9140430841, FINALLY RUNNING Group: Members Posts: 1,212 Joined: 22-May 03 From: WALTERBORO,S.C. Member No.: 724 Region Association: South East States |
Aaron, Does the 944 stub axle need to be from a Turbo, or will a plain 944 work? Am I also correct in assuming that the 914/4 & 944 cv's have the same spline count? The car does have the original 914/6 hub & flange on the swingarms. Ron |
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| RON S. |
Sep 16 2005, 12:53 PM
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9140430841, FINALLY RUNNING Group: Members Posts: 1,212 Joined: 22-May 03 From: WALTERBORO,S.C. Member No.: 724 Region Association: South East States |
The car currently has a Vellios unit,shifted with a new style Rennshifter. Ron |
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| Aaron Cox |
Sep 16 2005, 12:59 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
stubs are the same between 951 and 944 im told. 914/4 cv's internal spline - 33 there are 27 and 33 spline 944 cv's...you want the 33's thus the 944 cv's slide right onto the 914/4 axle shaft |
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| RON S. |
Sep 16 2005, 01:05 PM
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9140430841, FINALLY RUNNING Group: Members Posts: 1,212 Joined: 22-May 03 From: WALTERBORO,S.C. Member No.: 724 Region Association: South East States |
That spline count is good to know,cause I already have local wrecking yard-owner I that has a 944 beater in the back I can rob the rear out board stubs. Any chance the splines on the stubs are the same as the 6r units I already have.Or will I need to rob the 944 of both the stubs, & hubs. Ron |
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| Aaron Cox |
Sep 16 2005, 01:08 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
you need the 944 STUBS, because they bolt to the large diameter 6 bolt 944 CV.
the splines on late 944 or turbo stubs is the SAME as the internal splines on a /6 or early 911 HUB. clay says you can ALSO use the 944 HUB a spacer is needed to fill the gap where the dust seal on a 944 lived, on the stub axle. SirAndy and clay did a massive writeup on this subject.... AA |
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| flesburg |
Sep 16 2005, 01:25 PM
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Call Patrick Motorsports.
I bought a pair of axle assemblies from him and they work great. Do not know whether they are 944 or 911 part, but the assembly includes both cv's, the axle, and the proper outer stub axle to fit your 914-6 outer (wheel end) half. Attached image(s) 
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| RON S. |
Sep 16 2005, 01:26 PM
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9140430841, FINALLY RUNNING Group: Members Posts: 1,212 Joined: 22-May 03 From: WALTERBORO,S.C. Member No.: 724 Region Association: South East States |
Thanks Aaron,(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif)
I'm fixin to leave work for the weekend,and I'm gonna stop by the wrecking yard,and scope out the 944 for the pieces. I'll grab bolts,boots,shafts,everything.Then piddle the next month or so to make it work. It's rough having the car needing only an axle setup to make it move. 7years of work and i'm down to this (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/drooley.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/drooley.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/drooley.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/drooley.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/drooley.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/drooley.gif) Thanks, Ron |
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| Aaron Cox |
Sep 16 2005, 01:39 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
do me a favor ron. look for some 33 spline CV's for me.... let me know they quote you...
im having a hard time at the local yards |
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| ClayPerrine |
Sep 16 2005, 04:28 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,465 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille
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You do NOT have to change the outboard CV if you already have a factory six stub axle. Just fit one end of a 914/4 axle with a 944 cv joint, and change the flange on the transmission.
Or.. you can put the 901 drive flange in a coarse splined 915. Then you don't have to change the axles at all. |
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| Aaron Cox |
Sep 16 2005, 04:31 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) stock axles with a 3.6 (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/happy11.gif) |
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| ClayPerrine |
Sep 16 2005, 04:39 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,465 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille
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If you aren't out trying to impress Rice-Boys with big, smokey burnouts the stock CVs will be fine. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/pray.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/burnout.gif) Plus, stronger CVs mean that something else will fail in the driveline. So with a 915, it will be the clutch. A 911 clutch is NOT cheap.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smash.gif) |
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| Aaron Cox |
Sep 16 2005, 04:40 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
you cant get /4 or /6 CV's anymore.... break one and youre hosed... thats the benefit of your 944 axle setup clay.... availablity btw\- wes wants 60 bucks for those spacers (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif) |
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| Gint |
Sep 16 2005, 08:01 PM
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Mike Ginter Group: Admin Posts: 16,071 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Denver CO. Member No.: 20 Region Association: Rocky Mountains  |
I thought I had (mostly) a good grasp of this "conversion". Except for the spacer part. Can someone elaborate? Or even *GASP* show pics?
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| ClayPerrine |
Sep 18 2005, 07:15 AM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,465 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille
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Same pict I posted before.....
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| John |
Sep 20 2005, 01:29 PM
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member? what's a member? Group: Members Posts: 3,393 Joined: 30-January 04 From: Evansville, IN (SIRPCA) Member No.: 1,615 Region Association: None |
Those spacers go between the Wheel Bearing and the stub axle? For which axles? How thick are those? I could turn those on my lathe. |
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| Aaron Cox |
Sep 20 2005, 01:34 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
those take up the dust seal area..... on a 944/951 STUB.... ANDY said 3/16 thick.... i can get some dimensions for you... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/blog-1126656519.jpg) |
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