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> upgread power??, hi guys im new here and i need help..
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post Oct 4 2005, 12:26 PM
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hi guys
i want to upgread my 1973 1.8 engine
i want 2 stay with 4 cyl and i want around 150-180 hp
were can i do it?
how?
kits?
do you know prices range?
thanks a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!
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post Oct 4 2005, 12:29 PM
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The short answer is...

First I'd say reasearch this for at least one month!

We'd all like to have 150-180 but it is expensive.

The cheapest way to get this kind of HP is to do a conversion.

Otherwise do a search here on Jake Raby - resident TYPE4 builder/guru.

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post Oct 4 2005, 12:59 PM
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i watched jake's site probebly he is very relyable but very very expensive...

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thats my honey
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post Oct 4 2005, 12:59 PM
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QUOTE (Headrage @ Oct 4 2005, 11:29 AM)
Go here and check your options.

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/agree.gif) jake knows his motors ...

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post Oct 4 2005, 01:00 PM
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QUOTE (bender @ Oct 4 2005, 11:59 AM)
i watched jake's site probebly he is very relyable but very very expensive...

you get what you pay for ... i would advise against cheaping out on a new motor ...

ask me how i know!
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post Oct 4 2005, 01:06 PM
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QUOTE (bender @ Oct 4 2005, 10:59 AM)
i watched jake's site probebly he is very relyable but very very expensive...

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I can give you at least 2 other places that can do what Jake does, but they're more expensive. You can good, or you can get cheap, but not in the same transaction. Your other options are conversions involving various water pumpers, or a 911 engine of one size or another. All options require substantial investments of both time and money. The Cap'n
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post Oct 4 2005, 02:47 PM
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so my man is the raby?
thanks
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post Oct 4 2005, 02:49 PM
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Think I'm expensive???

Make a few dozen mistakes, blow some engines apart or buy junk parts and you'll see what expensive is all about.

Thats exactly how I learned and thats why I can help you when no one else can/will.....

My kit engines are NOT expensive.. 4500 bucks for all the internals to create a 150 HP engine is NOT expensive, especially when they are precision balanced and based on a true engine design- not a bunch of parts thrown in a box by some parts pusher that does not have grease under his nails..
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post Oct 4 2005, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE (Jake Raby @ Oct 4 2005, 12:49 PM)
Think I'm expensive???

Make a few dozen mistakes, blow some engines apart or buy junk parts and you'll see what expensive is all about.

Thats exactly how I learned and thats why I can help you when no one else can/will.....

My kit engines are NOT expensive.. 4500 bucks for all the internals to create a 150 HP engine is NOT expensive, especially when they are precision balanced and based on a true engine design- not a bunch of parts thrown in a box by some parts pusher that does not have grease under his nails..

the 2016 turbo kit
its a 4 cyl kit?
whats the hp for it?
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post Oct 4 2005, 03:50 PM
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try pricing the parts seperately that jake uses in his kits... you can't buy the seperate pieces and make the same combo for the same price... Jake's kits are a great deal... and you get Jake's experience putting the combos together... which you can't put a tag on!

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post Oct 4 2005, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE (bender @ Oct 4 2005, 02:09 PM)
the 2016 turbo kit
its a 4 cyl kit?
whats the hp for it?
thanks

just so you know, that is just for the engine "kit" that is suited for a turbo....price does not include the turbo or the exhaust or the intake plumbing for it........


one thing you are going to learn here is that these are 30 year old aircooled cars...not modern Hondas so forget everything you read in Sport Compact Car 'cause it's a different world here unless you install a different modern engine.......

there is hope for us that want to keep the aircooled /4 motors, it just won't be easy or cheap (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif)
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post Oct 4 2005, 05:16 PM
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QUOTE (Mueller @ Oct 4 2005, 03:11 PM)
QUOTE (bender @ Oct 4 2005, 02:09 PM)
the 2016 turbo kit
its a 4 cyl kit?
whats the hp for it?
thanks

just so you know, that is just for the engine "kit" that is suited for a turbo....price does not include the turbo or the exhaust or the intake plumbing for it........


one thing you are going to learn here is that these are 30 year old aircooled cars...not modern Hondas so forget everything you read in Sport Compact Car 'cause it's a different world here unless you install a different modern engine.......

there is hope for us that want to keep the aircooled /4 motors, it just won't be easy or cheap (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif)

if thats the case probebly ill stay with atmosperic motors
the 170 hp kit around 4.5K$ at raby's sounds great for my needs, but i need to see what i can do...
thanks
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post Oct 4 2005, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE (bender @ Oct 4 2005, 04:16 PM)
if thats the case probebly ill stay with atmosperic motors
the 170 hp kit around 4.5K$ at raby's sounds great for my needs, but i need to see what i can do...
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and then you need to add the cost of dual carbs or aftermarket fuel injection..the stock FI will not support 170hp as is. ...
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post Oct 4 2005, 05:39 PM
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QUOTE (Mueller @ Oct 4 2005, 03:19 PM)
QUOTE (bender @ Oct 4 2005, 04:16 PM)
if thats the case probebly ill stay with atmosperic motors
the 170 hp kit around 4.5K$ at raby's sounds great for my needs, but i need to see what i can do...
thanks

and then you need to add the cost of dual carbs or aftermarket fuel injection..the stock FI will not support 170hp as is. ...

whats better?
the carbs or injection?
what the approximet costs?
thanks a lot
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post Oct 4 2005, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE (bender @ Oct 4 2005, 04:39 PM)
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QUOTE (bender @ Oct 4 2005, 04:16 PM)
if thats the case probebly ill stay with atmosperic motors
the 170 hp kit around 4.5K$ at raby's sounds great for my needs, but i need to see what i can do...
thanks

and then you need to add the cost of dual carbs or aftermarket fuel injection..the stock FI will not support 170hp as is. ...

whats better?
the carbs or injection?
what the approximet costs?
thanks a lot

i like FI better....some people only like carbs....


carbs are going to run at least $500 for all the parts (based on good used parts), more money for new, less for junk that will need to be rebuilt

FI, a total DIY setup starts at about $400, but that does not include the wiring which you will have to do. Also you'll need a few hundred dollars worth of sensors (some can be used to save money) and then you have to do the programming with a laptop (or pendant if you go with a few different brands)

my 1st aftermarket FI cost me less than $300 using used parts with some new parts used as well....my latest FI cost $1100 and it still required me to use old parts and purchase some other stuff.
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post Oct 4 2005, 05:49 PM
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Yep- If you are a first timer, don't even think of the Turbo kit...

I'd do the 2270- its super easy to build and makes more than enough power.

You must crawl before you walk- getting inm over your head is VERY easy (but I won't let you do it)
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post Oct 4 2005, 06:12 PM
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QUOTE (Jake Raby @ Oct 4 2005, 03:49 PM)
Yep- If you are a first timer, don't even think of the Turbo kit...

I'd do the 2270- its super easy to build and makes more than enough power.

You must crawl before you walk- getting inm over your head is VERY easy (but I won't let you do it)

thats why i'm asking the experts....
im gonna think only about the atmosperic kits!!
i heared that the fi does problems , is it right?
thanks a lot
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post Oct 4 2005, 06:23 PM
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QUOTE (bender @ Oct 4 2005, 05:12 PM)
QUOTE (Jake Raby @ Oct 4 2005, 03:49 PM)
Yep- If you are a first timer, don't even think of the Turbo kit...

I'd do the 2270- its super easy to build and makes more than enough power.

You must crawl before you walk- getting inm over your head is VERY easy (but I won't let you do it)

thats why i'm asking the experts....
im gonna think only about the atmosperic kits!!
i heared that the fi does problems , is it right?
thanks a lot

the FI can have problems, but so do carbs, nothing is 100% trouble free........

generally,dual carbs are easier, but that's a poor excuse to run them if given the choice between the 2 systems.
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post Oct 4 2005, 06:24 PM
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QUOTE (bender @ Oct 4 2005, 05:12 PM)
i heared that the fi does problems , is it right?
thanks a lot

Like Meuller said, stock L or D-jet FI will only let you tweek things a very little bit. I your going with something that makes the kind of power you want it'll have to be either an aftermarket FI system like magasquirt or carbs...
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