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| guiltless |
 Oct 5 2005, 02:38 PM
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I have seen a few different ways to run hoses on a car that is using a front mount radiator.
I really have no desire to run copper piping through the cab of the car so that is out of the question. I have also seen alot of people running the rubber hoses under the car and down the center. I am sure that it is a great way, but it scares me a bit, especicaly when speed bumps come around. Is it possible to run the hoses through the center channel of the car? |
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| tyler |
Oct 14 2005, 12:44 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 335 Joined: 24-September 03 From: southern california Member No.: 1,192 |
Yes, I ordered directly from Griffin and they do have a website. I looked at that AFCO, which I think is actually 80133N, but it's 16" high and I didn't think it would fit in the vertical position. Now I realize it might fit if the reinforcing under the hood is cut but I prefered not to do that. I couldn't find anything to fit any better that that Griffin - I even had to cut away metal above the a-frames, put in some pretty thin silicone padding and slightly bend down the aluminum rib on the top to be able to close the hood.
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| Andyrew |
Oct 14 2005, 01:07 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,380 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California 
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Im running a griffin as well. A little larger than most of your though.
Its a single pass. Notice both of you dont have shrouding to the radiator.... Is there a reason? |
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| 914GT |
Oct 14 2005, 01:58 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,101 Joined: 11-October 04 From: Tucson Member No.: 2,923 Region Association: Southwest Region |
I bet Don can get away without a fan shroud considering his V6 and living in Idaho. But for a V8 and hotter climates the shroud is probably going to be necessary.
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| andys |
Oct 14 2005, 02:26 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,165 Joined: 21-May 03 From: Valencia, CA Member No.: 721 Region Association: None
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Tyler, You're right, it's an 80133N. I didn't need to cut any hood bracing when I tipped it slightly forward. Here's a pic of it in place with partially completed ducting to vent through the hood. Ducting now has a flange on top for 1" foam rubber to seal against underside of hood. Andys Attached image(s) 
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| dbledsoe |
Oct 14 2005, 02:34 PM
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Mutineer Group: Members Posts: 300 Joined: 13-May 03 From: Boise, ID. Member No.: 687 |
Andy, I haven't built my shrouding yet to seal the radiator and direct flow in and out (and prevent recirculation) because my install is very new and, since I'm approaching winter here in the northwest, its not a high priority until late spring. I do plan to install shrouding before then. Don |
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| andys |
Oct 14 2005, 02:46 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,165 Joined: 21-May 03 From: Valencia, CA Member No.: 721 Region Association: None
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With regard to mine, it's not fully complete.........Shrouding TO the radiator is definately planned. Andys |
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| dakotaewing |
Oct 14 2005, 03:34 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,163 Joined: 8-July 03 From: DeSoto, Tx Member No.: 897 Region Association: Southwest Region
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Andys - Did you get your fan set up and shroud from AFCO as well???
Your set up looks pretty clean... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) Thom |
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| dakotaewing |
Oct 16 2005, 09:35 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,163 Joined: 8-July 03 From: DeSoto, Tx Member No.: 897 Region Association: Southwest Region
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| andys |
Oct 16 2005, 12:22 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,165 Joined: 21-May 03 From: Valencia, CA Member No.: 721 Region Association: None
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Thom, I made the shoud. In the below pic, notice the (orange)flappers that allow additional air to pass at speed. The fans are made by Zirgo. You can buy directly from them....Don't have the site handy, but it's probably zirgo.com. For shroud and fan assemblies that you can purchase, I have some info at the office I'll post tomorrow. Andys Attached image(s) 
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| dakotaewing |
Oct 19 2005, 01:07 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,163 Joined: 8-July 03 From: DeSoto, Tx Member No.: 897 Region Association: Southwest Region
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Andy -
Thanks for the great info - What did it take tool wise in order for you to make your shroud? TIG, brake press, etc.? I also wanted to ask you if you removed the horizontal support at the front of the car, right below the latch ? it looks like that is the case in the photos above... Thom |
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| banksyinoz |
Oct 23 2005, 03:07 AM
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finally getting back into it Group: Members Posts: 223 Joined: 17-June 05 From: queensland, aus Member No.: 4,293 Region Association: Australia and New Zealand |
ive checked out where the hoses enter the front compartment and when i looked today it doesnt look like there is enough room to get the pipes past the rack can anyone post a pic of this as so i can check i know my car has had a new front floor however it looks fairly stock
it also has 911 struts in the front with the lower control arms that have the front swaybar/torsionbar brackets on them, dont know about the rack though (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif) the car is 75/76 |
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| dbledsoe |
Oct 23 2005, 09:17 AM
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Mutineer Group: Members Posts: 300 Joined: 13-May 03 From: Boise, ID. Member No.: 687 |
Are you using steel pipe or rubber hose?
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| banksyinoz |
Oct 24 2005, 02:53 PM
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finally getting back into it Group: Members Posts: 223 Joined: 17-June 05 From: queensland, aus Member No.: 4,293 Region Association: Australia and New Zealand |
looking at the steel but dont know what to use now
had a look at the other car here with the sti wrx & six speed its a race car but he has used ally pipe inside ally pipe and run it down the centre of the car (inside) the outer pipes exit right out of the cabin incase of a problem what thoughts is there on this approach the shifter is an auto so it can be mounted above the pipes (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif) |
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| dbledsoe |
Oct 24 2005, 04:33 PM
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Mutineer Group: Members Posts: 300 Joined: 13-May 03 From: Boise, ID. Member No.: 687 |
From all I've read it is best to avoid running piping through the driver/passenger compartment due to excess heat (914's get hot enough inside as it is) and the danger of a blowout in the pipe and 200 degree (f) coolant being sprayed around inside the car. That may not be a problem with a double wall pipe system except in case of a crash. The defacto standard seems to be 1" (25mm) rubber heater hose beneath the chassis (see photos below of how I did it). You can also see the earlier photo on page 2 of this thread where my hose exits into the front trunk of my red 914. The rubber hose was the easiest for me to do based on the limited tools I have. Others have run iron pipe in the same location as I've run the rubber hose (the two indentations in the chassis that run along side the center tunnel beneath the car). Attached thumbnail(s) 
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| dbledsoe |
Oct 24 2005, 04:34 PM
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Mutineer Group: Members Posts: 300 Joined: 13-May 03 From: Boise, ID. Member No.: 687 |
Another view.
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| banksyinoz |
Oct 25 2005, 01:06 AM
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finally getting back into it Group: Members Posts: 223 Joined: 17-June 05 From: queensland, aus Member No.: 4,293 Region Association: Australia and New Zealand |
thanks for all the info guys i am still undecided however i have access to heavy duty (mining) pressure hoses so i may start there (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beerchug.gif)
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| andys |
Oct 25 2005, 10:00 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,165 Joined: 21-May 03 From: Valencia, CA Member No.: 721 Region Association: None
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Thom, Yes, it took all those tools to do the fabrication. I did remove the sheet metal in the front bulkhead below the latch. I left a center rib (and re-enforced it) to help stiffen the latch. I will be cutting a grill opening in the front bumper. That's the plan. Andy |
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