 1.7L Oil cooling AGAIN!, Deep sump,O/C block,hoses go ? |
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| Brotherbob |
 Oct 17 2005, 10:24 AM
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Lazy Hack  Group: Members Posts: 152 Joined: 6-September 05 From: Granbury TX Member No.: 4,756  |
edit 1.8 L Oil cooling AGAIN!
Maybe one of the Gurus can help? Where the hell do all the hoses go ? Sump has 2 ports. Oil cooler block has two ports. When I put the cooler in the front bumper it has two ports. So which hose goes where? Help a brother out. Hold on for a few pics. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif) Attached image(s) 
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| Brotherbob |
Oct 17 2005, 10:25 AM
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Lazy Hack Group: Members Posts: 152 Joined: 6-September 05 From: Granbury TX Member No.: 4,756 |
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| Brotherbob |
Oct 17 2005, 10:26 AM
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Lazy Hack Group: Members Posts: 152 Joined: 6-September 05 From: Granbury TX Member No.: 4,756 |
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| Brotherbob |
Oct 17 2005, 10:28 AM
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Lazy Hack Group: Members Posts: 152 Joined: 6-September 05 From: Granbury TX Member No.: 4,756 |
yep.
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| Dave_Darling |
Oct 17 2005, 11:26 AM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,986 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California 
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The sump ports probably get plumbed to the valve covers. That's an easy way to drain the rocker box area back to the sump. I know similar things have been done with the "tuna can" before...
The cooler block-off has an oil out and an oil in. I don't remember which is which, of course. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif) The cooler has an oil out and an oil in; so you want to plumb the oil out of the block-off to the oil in of the cooler. And the oil in of the block-off to the oil out of the cooler... If the cooler has a lower port and an upper port, the upper one is the oil out. You always want the cooler to fill up; you don't want to give the oil an easy way to go through very little of the cooler. --DD |
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| Aaron Cox |
Oct 17 2005, 11:51 AM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
here is my suggestion.
run a stock cooler. (solves problem number 1) run a MOCAL sandwhich plate (lets you USE stock oil filter AND has a thermostat that control oil flow to front cooler) either run drains from heads to deep sump.... or cap it off. BTW, with your current set up - there is NO OIL FILTER unless you plumbed one upfront. |
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| Brotherbob |
Oct 17 2005, 01:17 PM
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Lazy Hack Group: Members Posts: 152 Joined: 6-September 05 From: Granbury TX Member No.: 4,756 |
Arron got me... I forgot to mention the dual oil filter deal I have too.
So vent the valve covers to the sump? I wouldn't have figured that one , wont the oil seek its own level and fill the valve cover ? Ok so oil out from the engine port to the cooler , out of the cooler into the dual pass oil filter unit and back to the engine. Right ? Or you could hook this filter unit to run on both sides of the cooler thereby getting twice the filter action? I have seen the racin' cars with oil cooler lines running in the car ? Why? I would think go through the front trunk below the car and into the engine bay? Where's Jake? I am not ready to stab this just yet as I am recovering from a shoulder surgery and my replys might be bias as I am in Vicodenland. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/piratenanner.gif) Do we need a picture of said filter unit ? I think so I'll be back. |
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| Mark Henry |
Oct 17 2005, 01:20 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/agree.gif) Stock cooler...mocal and front cooler if needed... Put pipe plugs in the sump and forget about it. BTW whoever built that system should be kicked in the nuts (On a stock 1.7 none of this is needed...just go stock) |
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| Brotherbob |
Oct 17 2005, 01:28 PM
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Lazy Hack Group: Members Posts: 152 Joined: 6-September 05 From: Granbury TX Member No.: 4,756 |
I guess by looking at the ins and outs you could only use this on the "to cooler side" or "back to engine side" . Comprende? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/piratenanner.gif)
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| Brotherbob |
Oct 17 2005, 01:28 PM
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Lazy Hack Group: Members Posts: 152 Joined: 6-September 05 From: Granbury TX Member No.: 4,756 |
wheee hoo this is funn. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/piratenanner.gif)
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| Brotherbob |
Oct 17 2005, 01:32 PM
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Lazy Hack Group: Members Posts: 152 Joined: 6-September 05 From: Granbury TX Member No.: 4,756 |
Its not stock..its a 1.7 with some aftermarket jugs and pistons, (valve relief type) the heads have been fly cut and the valves are bigger than stock.
I will drive the snot out of too. This is Tejas and buddy it do stay hot down here . (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/piratenanner.gif) |
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| Aaron Cox |
Oct 17 2005, 02:28 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
twin filters? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif) wow. some wierd collection of stuff. put a STOCK cooler on it... AND use a MOCAL thermostatic sandwhich plate and run lines to a front cooler. THIS way, you retain STOCK oil filter, and you can add another one up in front if so inclined. AA |
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| Aaron Cox |
Oct 17 2005, 02:42 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
here is my mocal install.
engine bar is notched to fit oil filter (in new lower position) the mocal has a thermostat in it, that controls oil flow to the front cooler. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/blog-1125889612.jpg) |
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| Aaron Cox |
Oct 17 2005, 02:44 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
and, stock cooler is in place, and the front cooler is Supplementary..... (izat a word?)
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/blog-1126053022.jpg) |
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| Mark Henry |
Oct 17 2005, 03:00 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
Do what Aaron said and plug the sump ports.
The dual filter set up can be had at any Hydraulic supply shop….total over-kill and double the restriction so me no like…. |
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| Brotherbob |
Oct 17 2005, 03:04 PM
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Lazy Hack Group: Members Posts: 152 Joined: 6-September 05 From: Granbury TX Member No.: 4,756 |
Hmmmmm....now i'm more confused than ever.
I made some ASSumptions like dropping the stock cooler , adding airflow, and a external cooler , sump would....keep my oil at lower temp , give me extra qty, and not be as bothered in the corners with the sump? Long life to the engine was the goal. I just cant fathomn the stock cooler over the above mentioned..... But you make some good points as in thermostatly controlled and possible fans too. I do think I will vent the valve covers to one of those empi type boxes on the fire wall. Then just cap the sump plugs. Hook up a cooler and call her done? No call to 1800-parts. Maybe rethink my filter unit though. I need to go out there and grab a set of calipers and find out what size that bugger is . I have a bone stock 1.7 to gage from. Be back in a moment. :Qarl:Ok a bone stock 1.7 was 89mm and mine went 93mm ? So what size does that make her? 1795 so 1.8:bootyshake: Viodenland.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rocking nana.gif) |
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| machina |
Oct 17 2005, 03:08 PM
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auxiliary maybe, anyway, where do the oil lines go after they re-enter the rocker towards the front? do they go up under the steering gear cover and into the trunk? |
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| machina |
 Oct 17 2005, 03:09 PM
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man, why is your pic coming with the quote function??? |
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| Mark Henry |
Oct 17 2005, 03:15 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
Removing the stock cooler (blocked or not) will actually raise 3 / 4 head temps.
VW did know a bit about cooling when they made the system… (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) |
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| Aaron Cox |
Oct 17 2005, 03:18 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
davidR,
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/blog-1124401996.jpg) into the cockpit like this, thru the void in the body... to the front trunk. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/blog-1126053052.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/blog-1126052964.jpg) hijack over |
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