What are 914s Capable of, performance wise Options

[fiid]

F = m a

914s don't have much m, which means with limited F they still have sufficient a. Add some F (say a 6 conversion, or a Subbie motor (SBCs unfortunatly come with extra m)) and you get lots of fun.

The little appreciated fact is that when you turn 90o, you lose all your velocity in one direction and have to put it back on again in another direction. So your 914s relative lack of m helps you twice - once when you're decelerating in one direction and once when you're reaccelerating in the other.

If your buddies respect the elise - you might want to raise the fact that you can buy a 914 for 1/10th the price of an elise and it only weighs about 200lbs more despite being made of STEEL and being 30yrs old.

And then there's just the grin factor. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

[dbledsoe]

QUOTE (jasons @ Oct 25 2005, 10:20 AM)

914 ownership is not about other people, its about you and the car. In that respect, it is a more mature form of car hobby. Enough people in the world own there cars for other people.

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[J P Stein]

Do NOT take your buddies for a run on some twisty public road
unless you have a lot of hi performance driving (track or AX) under your belt.....even then, it's a lousy idea. 914s can BITE at the limit...or just over.

[airsix]

QUOTE (J P Stein @ Oct 25 2005, 10:46 AM)

914s can BITE at the limit...or just over.

I was thinking the very same thing this one time when I was riding out a 450 degree spin at 60mph (NOT on a public road)...
I agree with JP. Not on the road. Go to an autocross. It's safer, there are whitnesses, there is no disputing the outcome, and you'll meet cool people who will edumacate your friends that real fun doesn't happen in a straight line. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

-Ben M.

[OSI]

how much do 914s weigh? my 510 weighs about 2200-2300 with a 240sx engine. supposedly it should do low-mid 14s in the 1/4 mile.

[messix]

root-werx last six conversion was a very strong 2.7 and accelerated very strong est. 0-60 4.5 - 5 sec. and 1/4 mi. low to mid 13s. idnt corner well for a 914 due to skinny hard tires, but the power on drift was fun (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

why are go karts fun?.... same for 914s.

[Hammy]

I get the same thing from my buds... They can't conceive how a 30+ piece of German metal with a "lawn mower" motor can out perform their new day "sports car". All they're concerned about is how fast it'll take you from one stop light to the next.
I figure just ignore it, be glad you know something they don't. Or show them, but don't kill yourself (or them) doing so.

[iamchappy]

There a number of us with powerful 914s with v8's, 3.6, twin turbo 3.4, and 3.0 turbo sixes,
with horsepower ratings from 300 to 600hp. All these cars would be considered very fast. Most of these cars also have all the necessary suspension and brake modifications to make them very capable cars against most anything you would run across on the street.

If you go out to the PCA site and look at the race track results you will see a lot of 914's at the top of the list running against and beating the newer models.

The car can still compete on the track as well as AX.

[horizontally-opposed]

If this is about the limits... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) then the argument is essentially ridiculous. Spend enough money on a Subie, Lancer, Honda, or Chevy Aveo and it will destroy even the fastest 914s on this board. But you're talking CUBIC money...

The same works in reverse. I suppose a 914 could make it to the moon -- if it was strapped to a big enough rocket.

But re-entry would probably be a bitch. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

[airsix]

QUOTE (horizontally-opposed @ Oct 25 2005, 02:39 PM)

Spend enough money on a Subie, Lancer, Honda, or Chevy Aveo and it will destroy even the fastest 914s on this board.

I'd like to see any of those cars take on Roger Sheridan's 914 on a road course.
-Ben M.

[J P Stein]

QUOTE (airsix @ Oct 25 2005, 03:35 PM)

QUOTE (horizontally-opposed @ Oct 25 2005, 02:39 PM) Spend enough money on a Subie, Lancer, Honda, or Chevy Aveo and it will destroy even the fastest 914s on this board. I'd like to see any of those cars take on Roger Sheridan's 914 on a road course. -Ben M.

Well....Honda now owns BAR outright (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif)

BTW, Pete, we specialize in the ridiculous here, eh.

[Joe Ricard]

I have no other friends than car guys. This is all ya'll and the Loos'ana Autocross peeps. Those that have ridden in the red neck racer (only the brave) are usually shitting thier pants because they were sure I wasn't going to make it through the gate at the speed I was carrying.
Those VERY lucky and have money to fix what breaks get to drive it and the response is (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/pray.gif) I gotta get me one of these.
There is no looking down on this teener well cept them ugly fenders.
come on UPS girl need my flares.

[Britain Smith]

I posted this on the OR autocross thread. It is the list of cars in this weekends autocross and the results, there are several Porsche and several non-Porsches in this list. You can get a quick idea of how the cars stack up to each other. Granted, there are several factors that are not included on this list...driver skill, tires, suspension upgrades, motor, etc. but you get the idea. Just as a matter of reference, my car placed 6th overall and is a stock '70 1.7L with swaybars, 140lb rear springs, and Falken's. It weighs 1950lb stock also. There were a couple of really modified WRX's that were really fast also.

So, overall I would place the 914 right up there with the best of them when it comes to overall performance as judged by an autocross. Many people are very surprised that a 35 year old car that cost me $4500, has 65 hp on a good day, and is my daily driver can perform so well when compared to several generations of Porsches and other more technologically advanced cars.

-Britain

[Bleyseng]

Only 2 secs slower than JP and he's got 120hp more than you Britian??? WTF How wide are your tires?

[SirAndy]

QUOTE (Bleyseng @ Oct 25 2005, 07:00 PM)

WTF How wide are your tires?

he's running 205s ... JPs are about twice as wide ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/driving.gif) Andy

[jd74914]

looa @ #46, he was driving an f100, thats crazy. i'd be afraid of my hubs falling off (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

[J P Stein]

The TTDO guy is a regular SCCA AS competitor and was running Yoko 100ES IIRC. and just so nobody's haid gets too big, on a 50-60 sec course, those gaps would prolly double.
The 3rd place car was SM but still on street tires. Those are the guys I know....the rest (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)

2 weeks ago, I ran SCCA in the wet/ damp and they ran in the dry and killed me by 3-4 sec. I'm used to gettin' beat & that bothers me some. I admit, Britian is pretty quick. He drove the shit outta my car.....but others have done better. Andy, Geoff, come on over and we'll plant your ass in my car & you can show me whatcha got....that goes pretty much for anybody here. Anything else is blowing wind.

Britian:
you proved you can drive. You could prolly jump in about any car there and beat the owners time by 2 sec. ...so could the guys in the Subies. I think your analysis is off the mark
as your leaving the drivers out of the equation.

[Brett W]

QUOTE

I'd like to see any of those cars take on Roger Sheridan's 914 on a road course.

Apples to oranges, but there are several ex-Trans AM cars running in HSR that would eat that car alive.

[jimtab]

QUOTE (Bleyseng @ Oct 25 2005, 06:00 PM)

Only 2 secs slower than JP and he's got 120hp more than you Britian??? WTF How wide are your tires?

Forget the tires....Britian is an ALIEN...a mutant....and pretty quick himself.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/happy11.gif)

[horizontally-opposed]

QUOTE (airsix @ Oct 25 2005, 03:35 PM)

QUOTE (horizontally-opposed @ Oct 25 2005, 02:39 PM) Spend enough money on a Subie, Lancer, Honda, or Chevy Aveo and it will destroy even the fastest 914s on this board. I'd like to see any of those cars take on Roger Sheridan's 914 on a road course. -Ben M.

"Spend enough money" is the operative phrase...

With a NASA-like budget, I am quite sure one could build a beryllium-calipered, tube-framed, F1-powered Chevy Aveo 5-door that would destroy Sheridan's 914 on a race track.

It might not look much like an Aveo anymore, but then how much 914 is really left in Roger's car? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

BTW, anyone remember that crazy F1 minivan from the 1990s?

pete