How many are out there today? Options

[Mueller]

there have been a couple of threads with "expired" VIN numbers posted...I know I've (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sawzall-smiley.gif) 3 that nobody wanted...one had a bad suspension console, one needed rear a qtr panel and the other had been in a slight accident.....all repairable by someone other than me (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

I couldn't give the cars away, so to the chopping block they went...

[richardL]

QUOTE (mrdicb @ Nov 3 2005, 06:49 PM)

My report is on what would be a more productive race series to sponsor, an all 914 series or an all Boxster series.

Of course the real answer to this has nothing to do with the cars - if you are going to sponsor a race series the considerations would be, 'which series will bring my name to potential customers and give me the best return'

So depending on your product, you have to look at the likely demographics

Also I tend to agree with Bowlsby - probably around 4000-5000 left at most.

R

[TJB/914]

Boy, this is an interesting post. Anyone thinking about manufacturing parts for 914's should find this interesting.

I agree with Bowlsby the figure is 4000 to 5000 914's left in some stage of restorable condition. I would say 10% (or 400 to 500) are the best running ones. Probably the 6's and special LE's, etc. are most abundant in this group. I would also say 1% of the total (50-914's) qualify as the best. I believe we see this from our past outings. In my opinion these cars are drying up, just ask the guy trying to find a good project car.

Just my 2-cents worth preaching to the experts. I've been telling everyone, buy up as many parts (now) for your future project because good parts are getting hard to find & expensive. Heavy iron stuff will always be around, look for the small stuff that's easy to store. It's the little stuff, accessories, tool kits, NOS stuff, etc that cost the most.

Tom

[BMartin914]

QUOTE (Mueller @ Nov 4 2005, 12:59 PM)

I couldn't give the cars away, so to the chopping block they went...

We've cut up 3 cars around here in the last year. All had structural rust somewhere and the parts went to people that needed them. The parts that no one wanted went to the scrapyard.

At a certain point, it becomes more advantageous to cut the car up and free up the space than it is to stockpile rusty shells.

Unfortunately...that's the way it goes.

[Bleyseng]

4000-5000? We have almost that many members here, so I say double it to under 10K 914's left in a restorable condition.

[jimkelly]

Maybee u could contakt every DMV countrywide and ask if they could check there databases for you?

[TJB/914]

Geoff,

Yes, maybe if you count parts cars the total could be 8,000???

Define restorable condition??? Like Bill Clinton said, I didn't have sex with that women, it was only a BJ.

Restorable Condition. Running or on Jack stands waiting for restoration with minimum work.

Parts Car. Rusted out with major sag & only a few parts salvageable.

Tom

[Matt Monson]

QUOTE (BMartin914 @ Nov 4 2005, 01:49 PM)

QUOTE (Mueller @ Nov 4 2005, 12:59 PM) I couldn't give the cars away, so to the chopping block they went... We've cut up 3 cars around here in the last year. All had structural rust somewhere and the parts went to people that needed them. The parts that no one wanted went to the scrapyard. At a certain point, it becomes more advantageous to cut the car up and free up the space than it is to stockpile rusty shells. Unfortunately...that's the way it goes.

Yeah,
That about the way it is here, too. We are running out of storage for cars, and some saveable cars are being axed. Thankfully, sometimes some of them get saved, at least in part. The front cut on the F production car that David Finch built was one of them. But we also recently sold a shell to a guy who just wanted a vin. I know that one never made if back off his trailer before it went to the junkyard...

[Hammy]

Yeah I know people are still going to part cars... inevitable and that's fine. But I just think the general trend should be leaning towards saving the cars.

[blabla914]

Hey McMark. If you are really talking about unrusted and straight 914's I'll take you up on your offer. If you are willing to ship them I will take as many as you are willing send. It's the shipping of a non running car that's a b***h.

My address is. Well I guess posting your address on a public forum isn't so smart. You will have a PM as soon as I figure out how to use it.

Kelly

[McMark]

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif) Does that really make sense?

[blabla914]

I don't understand your question. I know three guys that would swap their parts into a clean tub. You really have to look hard around here to find a car that's really as clean as people say it is. If it is really clean they generally want a good price for it because they know how tough it is to asses the condition and then try to ship a non running car from across the country. If I remember right some people on this board even tried to get together to have a group of cars shipped to save them from the sawzall.

Kelly

[Dead Air]

QUOTE (mrdicb @ Nov 3 2005, 05:49 PM)

Well here's specifically my criteria: My report is on what would be a more productive race series to sponsor, an all 914 series or an all Boxster series. My conciderations are: Availability of the car models Cost of the cars for the racers Cost of vehicle maintaince to the racers Number of venues each car can perform in (AutoX, SCCA, NASA) Number of potential racers for each car Effect the cars will have on the series spectators So the number I need would reflect the number of track worthy cars there are.

There are:
4 cars in Ohio
4 spectators interested in 914's in Ohio
$4ooo is the cost of maintanence
4 racers per car
0 effect on series spectators

[T H O M A S]

kraftfahrtsamt flensburg
1.7=428
2.0=688
1.8=62
914-6=146
registered cars in germany 2004

[bd1308]

there are a few here in louisville....


2 red (talked to one guy who said that he saw one that blew a CV)
1 red 1.8L (westport road automotive...i'd fix it but i dont know L-Jet.)
1 lime green (saw on gene synder expressway)
3 white (cano and auto-motion owner[he has a /6], bluegrass muffler guy)
1 red parts car (bluegrass muffler guy)
1 pink car (mine...no front end)

that's all i know in louisville.

b

[SirAndy]

QUOTE (one914racer @ Nov 4 2005, 10:44 PM)

kraftfahrtsamt flensburg 1.7=428 2.0=688 1.8=62 914-6=146 registered cars in germany 2004

damm, what did i miss ??? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)

[lapuwali]

So, roughly 30% of 914/4s sold in Germany are still registered, and 75% of 914/6s, which is an amazing ratio.

If this were true world-wide, that would put the number at 34K 914s still road-worthy, with about 24K of them in the US. This also means there are over 50,000 parts cars and parts from cut up parts cars available in the US.

I suspect the cars are considered a bit more disposible in the US, so I'd put the ratio lower here, but I'm not sure I'd now go all the way down to 10%. 20%, perhaps, or 16K cars that are licensed (or capable of being licensed).

[JeffBowlsby]

How do you arrive at that high of a percentage of survivors James?

118K 914s produced total

83K 914s deliverd to the USA

That leaves 35K delivered to Europe, including 180 known deliverd to Japan

1K 914s are USA LEs and the status of only about 100 (10%) are known, at most a 10-15% survival rate for a car that may have been better cared for than most 914s.

1.4K surviving (registered) 914s in Germany is not many out of 35K for all of Europe, a high percentage of which probably stayed in Germany. Granted there are probably as many 914 parts cars proportionally in Europe as there are here in the USA, but still....

[davep]

I doubt that the European rate is as good as the USA. First, the Europeans are much more strict with car safety. Corrosion on your brake lines means they must be replaced. So 50% of what is on the road here would not be allowed in Europe. Second, there are places in the US, such as California, where the percentage of the total delivery was high and the climate was very favourable. Where the scrap rate here is 10 to 1 saved or worse, I doubt it is that bad in your area. I think the survival rate is much worse than we normally suppose.

[gregrobbins]

Interesting brief history of the 914.Link

I'll check with the DMV in Arizona and see how many are registered. I know there are a number of cars that are no longer street legal and used for autocross and track events only. Do we count them?

Another interesting question. How many jack stands are being used by 914s (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)