Your invited to...., an engine removal party in AZ tomorrow!! Options

[shaggy]

we, my dad (flatvw) and i, are taking the engine out of the '72 1.7

this will be our first time doing this so we dont fully know how to do it all

we have the check list and instructions, but some experienced help would be greatly appreciated

well be doing it tomorrow morning i think wed like to take it out fix the oil filter assembly and put it right back in

well have donuts and coffee in the morning and...
my dad has offered to make a bunch of smoked meat/bbq (which always turns out well, my favorite is the pulled pork) or to buy a large pan of lasagna.
he said hell also provide BEER (ID required (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif))

if any one could come john has said about 10 am.

we live at about 32nd st and shea

if you would like to help us out PM me and ill give you the address and directions

thanks to slits for sending us those parts we found them last night in the mail box, oil filter woes

any help would be greatly appreciated!
-shaggy

[d914]

can't come to phoenix so I just pulled mine ,,,good luck...

[bd1308]

shaggy, i've done it before...went well, and got a pat on the back from the porsche mechanic.

if you need help gimme a call

502 741 0183.


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[shaggy]

thanks britt

but an experienced hand to tell me what im looking at would really help
theres really nothing like having first hand help

[gregrobbins]

Make it in the afternoon, and I'll be there. Got a conflict in the morning. Do you need my motorcycle jack? Start working on getting the CV bolts out now. If they are stripped, it will take forever. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) Make sure you get the correct 12 point tool for removing them.

John has my numbers, call.

[shaggy]

well its in the after noon then

i have something to do already tonight so ill be up at 7 or so tomorrow and ill work those cv bolts out

the mc jack would really help

what 12 point are you talking about?

is it like a torque?
where can i buy one?

[bd1308]

QUOTE (shaggy @ Nov 5 2005, 06:56 PM)

well its in the after noon then i have something to do already tonight so ill be up at 7 or so tomorrow and ill work those cv bolts out the mc jack would really help what 12 point are you talking about? is it like a torque? where can i buy one?

oh no!

triple-point driver. FLAPS has them....

its like a torx bit with some more ends in them.....


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[shaggy]

"triple point driver"?

thats what its called?

is there only one size? or do i need a specific one?

[bd1308]

7mm i think....

somebody back me up here......

my triple-point bolts were replaced with allen head bolts.


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[shaggy]

sorry i couldnt have given you guys more notice on this but we need the car to be running.

and that was only decided today.

i havnt driven a 914 fo about 2 weeks or so
i miss my clutch... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif)

im having 914 withdrawl... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif)

[davep]

Check the bolt heads as soon as you can. If they are originals, the use a 'triple square' 8mm bit. That is, they have 12 points. It is commonly used on a VW as well. You will need new CV joint gaskets. Use a couple of grocery bags on each CV to keep them clean. I'd power wash the CV's before splitting them. It is critical to keep dirt out.

Remove the battery, then disconnect the electrical connections. Mark them as you go.
Disconnect the fuel lines, and make sure the ends don't leak.
Disconnect the heater cables, clutch cable, speedo cable and throttle cable.
Be sure the tranny ground strap is disconnected, and the reverse light switch.
I'm sure you will have to remove the exhaust unless you remove the drive shafts completely. I'd guess the exhaust would be easier. You'll need new hardware for the exhaust, plus new gaskets.
Unhook the rubber from around the engine tin edges.
Loosen the engine bar bolts and the tranny mount bolts.
Support the engine with a trolley jack right at the back of the engine, and in front of the tranny (there is a rectangular machined spot to aim for).
Get some big pieces of tin or cardboard and slide it down between the engine tin and the nuts on the end of the inboard suspension arm shafts. This will guide the engine tin down past the nuts and keep things from hanging up there.

Remove the engine bar bolts and remove the nuts on the tranny bolts.
I sit with the trolley between my legs, and lower the trolley little by little while guiding the assembly down. Use the ears on the tranny to guide things. A bit like bull wrestling. Once the engine is sitting down on the trolley, pull it out.

You need about three people: one to supervise, one to supply beer on demand, and one to do all the work.

[shaggy]

hahahahahahahahahahaha!

well have four people so we should be fine!

thanks for all the help!

[shaggy]

they arent triple points but rather 6mm hexes

im gonna go get a bit tonight and try tomorrow morning

good thing you told me to look right away or i would bought that for no reason

but it would have helped with dropping the engine on the '75


thanks for all the help

engine drop in t-17 hours

thanks again
-shag

[davep]

You should replace the washers under the CV bolts. They are a special type. New bolts will not hurt either. I've seen too much damage from loose drive shafts beating everything within reach. Cheap insurance.

You may be able to drop the engine quickly, and even get it reinstalled tomorrow. Be sure to get the new bits to finish it up right though. A rush job and used parts will ensure another job in short order, and could cause significant damage. A job like this requires either advance planning to get all the necessary parts in before you start, or a very well stocked garage.

[bd1308]

the washers are crush wavey washers.


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[Trekkor]

schnorr washers

[Flat VW]

QUOTE (davep @ Nov 5 2005, 05:51 PM)

A job like this requires either advance planning to get all the necessary parts in before you start, or a very well stocked garage.

We do not have either...... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dead horse.gif)

[Allan]

The CV washers look like this

[shaggy]

how many washers do i need per side?

would bap have these things?

what do the cv gaskets look like and do you think bap would have those?

[Aaron Cox]

QUOTE (shaggy @ Nov 6 2005, 10:18 AM)

how many washers do i need per side? would bap have these things? what do the cv gaskets look like and do you think bap would have those?

how may do i need?

one per bolt. ill let you figure out how many bolts are on each CV.

go to pelican parts . com and click on CV gasket. im sure they have a picture. hell, google canbe your friend too (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)


what is a BAP? if a local place. then no. id bet they wont have anything 914