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toon1	Nov 12 2005, 09:52 AM Post #1
Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,849 Joined: 29-October 05 From: tracy,ca Member No.: 5,022	I was just going to replace the p/r tube seals and thought, since I dont know the history of the motor ,I shoud pull the heads and check things out to make sure the thing is even worth using. With all the bolts off ,I pulled the head and then proceeded to pull the two screws that hold the tin on the c/c. while lifting the screw up the washer fell into the lifter hole and DINK!, DINK ! you gussed it ,right into the case. So now what, is there any way to get it out without splitting the case? Can I leave it there?

Allan

Nov 12 2005, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE (toon1 @ Nov 12 2005, 07:52 AM)

So now what, is there any way to get it out without splitting the case?

Can I leave it there?

#1 Doubtful. You might try a magnet on a string and fish around for it.

#2 Only if you plan on using the motor for a coffee table base.

SpecialK	Nov 12 2005, 10:07 AM Post #3
aircraft surgeon Group: Benefactors Posts: 3,211 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Pacific, MO Member No.: 1,797	You might try and fish around with a telescopic magnet (from the FLAPS), and "NO", you don't want to leave it there. -Kevin EDIT: Allan's quick on the draw! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beerchug.gif)

jsteele22	Nov 12 2005, 01:22 PM Post #4
Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 727 Joined: 24-August 05 From: Colorado Springs, CO Member No.: 4,653	You might try to fish it out using a chopstick...

Andyrew	Nov 12 2005, 01:28 PM Post #5
Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California	CHOPSTICKS WHERE A JOKE..... dont try it.. funny though (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)

Tom Perso	Nov 12 2005, 01:33 PM Post #6
Crazy from the Cold... Group: Members Posts: 647 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Kalamazoo, MI Member No.: 1,003	How does the motor look? If it's marginal, I'd say put it back together and run it. Worst case, the washer will get sucked up against the pickup screen. It won't go any further than sit in the sump. If'n it was a nice 2.0L, I'd tear it apart. But, I'm always asking for trouble. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif) Tom

DNHunt	Nov 12 2005, 03:03 PM Post #7
914 Wizard? No way. I got too much to learn. Group: Members Posts: 4,099 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Gig Harbor, WA Member No.: 598	I lost a wavy washer down a lifter bore. I tore it down. I tried compressed air and fishing for it but I never could see it. Do 1.7's have a windage tray? Cause I'm not sure iit'll make it past there to get to the screen. Dave

McMark	Nov 12 2005, 03:22 PM Post #8
914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None	1.7s shouldn't have a windage tray. Here's a crazy idea. Put oil in the case if you don't have any in there now. Maybe a couple extra quarts. Rock the engine back and forth to hopefully draw the washer down into the bottom of the case. Drail the oil and fish around in it with a magnet to see if it came out. The hole it went into is a drain back into the bottom of the case. I wouldn't run it if it was a nice engine, but if it's a beater I think it'll just end up on the pickup screen.

toon1	Nov 12 2005, 05:55 PM Post #9
Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,849 Joined: 29-October 05 From: tracy,ca Member No.: 5,022	the motor looks worn but might be worth the time and energy to restore it. Maybe just the top end. looking at the cam, it looks worn, I have an extra cam, I want to use it while I am building a 2.0. This is my first 914 and first sports car, I really want to drive it.

Tom Perso	Nov 12 2005, 11:01 PM Post #10
Crazy from the Cold... Group: Members Posts: 647 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Kalamazoo, MI Member No.: 1,003	Run it. Oh, maybe try doing the tasks mentioned above. Guys, for a minute, think about the flow of oil in the case. Oil sits in the sump. Pickup "can" (as I call it) pulls the oil up thru the strainer. Worse thing that can happen is that the washer is pulled towards the pickup where it will ultimately sit in the pickup plate. If that happens, when you drop the plate to check your strainer, washer falls out. Problem solved. Beyond that, it may get picked up and sit IN the strainer.... so when you pull the plate off to check the strainer, you'll find the washer and the problem is solved. All I can see is a win-win situation. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) I don't see the washer "jumping" up into the cam or the crank... Or, you can drain the engine, flip it over and shake it violently to get the washer out... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) You're lucky you DON'T have a windage tray so now the washer will sit in the bottom of the sump. If it fell on top of the tray, I'd be a little worried. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/screwy.gif) Tom (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/screwy.gif)

r_towle	Nov 12 2005, 11:13 PM Post #11
Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States	take the sump plate off....find it. Rich

toon1	Nov 13 2005, 12:22 PM Post #12
Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,849 Joined: 29-October 05 From: tracy,ca Member No.: 5,022	How much is visable by taking off the sump plate?

Bleyseng	Nov 13 2005, 12:25 PM Post #13
Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest	not much but if you flush the motor with oil it might come out. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif)

toon1	Nov 13 2005, 12:43 PM Post #14
Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,849 Joined: 29-October 05 From: tracy,ca Member No.: 5,022	The more I look at it ,the more I think it needs to be rebuilt. After further inspection the cam is in real bad shape, the rear lobe is worn badly. Who makes the best manuels for a rebuild, I heard benltly's where good?

Mark Henry	Nov 13 2005, 02:09 PM Post #15
that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada	later 1.7's do have a windage tray (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

bd1308

Nov 13 2005, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE (toon1 @ Nov 13 2005, 12:43 PM)

The more I look at it ,the more I think it needs to be rebuilt. After further inspection the cam is in real bad shape, the rear lobe is worn badly.

Who makes the best manuels for a rebuild, I heard benltly's where good?

JAke Raby's rebuild DVD is mega awesome-tastic.

I made that word up. Its both awesome and fantastic.

It breaks the rebuild down into very specific and detailed sections....and does it the methodical "Raby" way.

b

Allan

Nov 13 2005, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE (bd1308 @ Nov 13 2005, 12:21 PM)

QUOTE (toon1 @ Nov 13 2005, 12:43 PM)

The more I look at it ,the more I think it needs to be rebuilt. After further inspection the cam is in real bad shape, the rear lobe is worn badly.

Who makes the best manuels for a rebuild, I heard benltly's where good?

JAke Raby's rebuild DVD is mega awesome-tastic.

I made that word up. Its both awesome and fantastic.

It breaks the rebuild down into very specific and detailed sections....and does it the methodical "Raby" way.

b

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/agree.gif) Get Jake's DVD...

anthony	Nov 13 2005, 03:01 PM Post #18
2270 club Group: Benefactors Posts: 3,107 Joined: 1-February 03 From: SF Bay Area, CA Member No.: 218	Is the DVD different from the Bug Me Video Vol 8 vhs?

Angelface01	Nov 13 2005, 06:13 PM Post #19
Newbie Group: Members Posts: 36 Joined: 13-August 04 From: Pottstown, PA Member No.: 2,527	I had this problem in my Bug once except with a 10mm bolt. I didn't know it was in there when I installed the engine but found out a month later when the bolt got lodget in the intake valve of my #4 piston. No damage was done but it I had to take the head off and remove the valve to dislodge it. Aside from some dents in the top of my piston, there was nothing wrong. But don't risk driving it with it in there b/c something much worse could happen.

toon1	Nov 13 2005, 11:12 PM Post #20
Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,849 Joined: 29-October 05 From: tracy,ca Member No.: 5,022	I found the washer, all I had to do was split the case and BAM there it was. The motor is toast, looks like I will be building a 2.0. I will be sending the parts off to Rimco soon. Also found out I need new brake rotors. Seems like its one thing after another, hope it's worth it.

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