BLUE LIGHTS A-FLASHING, thought i was getting the first ticket Options

[DNHunt]

Kevin

The commander of the WSP for our region was in to get a couple of teeth filled yesterday. He was pretty sure that it was one of his guys that stopped you. Not to worry I got even for you.

The law is that the turn signal is the only light that can be amber. If it's on all the time or it comes on with the brakes it's not legal. It seems like a waste of time to me but, what do I know. Glad you didn't get written up.

Dave

[Joe Ricard]

Great job Dave.
one of the rules to live by. "never piss off a dentist or his friends"
Geesh with the 914Club that's alot of people.

My next door nieghbor is the city Judge. I think I need to bring him a beer or sumpin. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif)

[flipb]

I recently put on a set of AA's repro Euro tail light lenses, and I'm having the same issue described in this thread: rear corner markers show amber whenever the lights are on.

I checked my FLAPS, showed him the bulb, and was told they aren't allowed to stock those bulbs with color tint, something illegal about them.

SO: anybody know a source (and what bulb number to order) for red-tinted rear corner marker bulbs?

For the recor, I checked and having amber taillights showing is legal in Virginia, so I'm safe there. But I'd kind of prefer red lights back there without losing the amber turn signals, plus it would relieve any legal concerns when out-of-state.

A lot of new cars have amber blinkers... I have yet to see an amber parking/tail light though.

I bet the cop's problem was the amber on a 914 with euro lenses is ON all the time when the lights are on.

What I did to fix the problem was to replace the white tail lamp bulb (The small one) with a RED bulb (found at almost all FLAPS). Problem solved since the blinker is a different bulb. So the blinker, blinks yellow, but the red bulb looks red through the yellow plastic when the tail lights are on.

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[BiG bOgGs]

flipb, you *shouldn't* have to worry about out of state driving. As long as your car is up to your own states requirements you are fine on the roadways. For instance, if your state only has rear license plates, you can't get a ticket for not having a front plate in a state that requires front and rear.

If this ain't true, please let me know so I can cover my ass too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[BiG bOgGs]

flipb, you *shouldn't* have to worry about out of state driving. As long as your car is up to your own states requirements you are fine on the roadways. For instance, if your state only has rear license plates, you can't get a ticket for not having a front plate in a state that requires front and rear.

If this ain't true, please let me know so I can cover my ass too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[ConeDodger]

Just ran this by some LEO friends. They called it a 'probable cause stop.' Your tails gave them a reason to check and see if you were sober or other such violation.

[flipb]

So what have others done about this problem when switching to Euro tail lenses? The simplest solution, I suppose, would be to just remove the rear corner marker bulbs...

It seems that bulb is designated #1893 (correct me if I'm wrong!) but I can't find anyone online that sells that bulb with red tint.

For the record, I haven't had any issue yet - in fact, I haven't driven my 914 at night since I put the Euro lenses on.

[dw914er]

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the Cap'n is right.
european tail-light assemlies don't have the amber "running" lights (or whatever you call them).

the european cars also don't have the amber front sidemarkers at all and they don't use the amber front blinkers as "running" lights either ...
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This. The reality of the situation was he was doing a 'scratch and sniff.' The LEO will spot a ticket-able offense (usually a fix it ticket sort of one) and will pull you over to detect the smell of alcohol or something. Gives a decent warrant/excuse to pull someone over and can be a good method to stop potential drunk drivers.

[dw914er]

So what have others done about this problem when switching to Euro tail lenses? The simplest solution, I suppose, would be to just remove the rear corner marker bulbs...

It seems that bulb is designated #1893 (correct me if I'm wrong!) but I can't find anyone online that sells that bulb with red tint.

For the record, I haven't had any issue yet - in fact, I haven't driven my 914 at night since I put the Euro lenses on.

It's the easiest method to deal with the issue, though per US regulations, you need those corner bulbs. Mine are burnt out on my 73, autozone didn't have in stock, and therefore I've gone a few years without them. I could get a ticket, but the rate I drive my car at night, plus how obvious it is, I haven't been worried.

[ConeDodger]

Try SuperBrightLEDS.Com for the colored LED lights. They suggest using colored LED's in colored light situations.

[kphimself]

flipb, you *shouldn't* have to worry about out of state driving. As long as your car is up to your own states requirements you are fine on the roadways. For instance, if your state only has rear license plates, you can't get a ticket for not having a front plate in a state that requires front and rear.

If this ain't true, please let me know so I can cover my ass too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Thats not true at all, i got a ticket in a rental car in Emporia VA for having tinted windows. They were a factory tint but it was more then you can have in VA. The rental had NC plates on it. Years ago when i moved to VA from san diego i had a license plate cover that was clear plastic and i got a ticket for that, the truck was still registered to California as i was in the middle of a move, that was also in Emporia VA. I hate going through that town they will find any reason to pull you over, like going 48 in a 45, yeah got a ticket for that too. Only 3 tickets i've ever had.

[BiG bOgGs]

Is it that they CAN give you a ticket, or is it that they bet on you not being around to contest it locally?

Sorry for the hijack here. Just would like to know.

[badm]

Who cares about the dam tail lights what about the Aussi- Pink Floyd how was the concert. I Go to them in Boston each year, what a blast. It's the one time my kids and I don't argue over the music. Love my 914 but pink floyd, you have to have your priorities. Badm.

[dw914er]

Is it that they CAN give you a ticket, or is it that they bet on you not being around to contest it locally?

Sorry for the hijack here. Just would like to know.

if you're in their jurisdiction you're subject to their laws. This goes for pretty much anything, from CARB modifications in Cali, to weapon carry, etc. Doesn't help you can't contest it, but the "I'm just visiting" isn't always gonna be enough.

[kphimself]

I got a lawyer and fought all of my tickets and lost 2 of the 3, the only one i got a break on was the 3 over only after i had my speedometer check and turned out to be off by 4mph. However i didn't get any points taken off my record since most states don't count tickets from VA. There is all kinds of crazy laws on what states count other states tickets and where you have you license.

[flipb]

For those who are interested, I came up with a cheap fix to this problem. I took a small (doubled-over) piece of aluminum foil and shaped it around the corner marker light, so that it shines only out of the side, and doesn't illuminate the rear-facing turn signal section.

Below, illustrated via cell-phone camera.

First, curved piece of foil around the corner marker light.


Then, "close" end of of foil against side-facing reflector surface.


Result: reduced glow of turn signal when tail-lights are on (although from side view, the corner marker is amber)


And for the curious - I made sure that the turn signal, when lights are off, isn't obstructed in side view due to the foil. This is a shot of the turn signal blinking, headlights/taillights off, from side view.

[Mr.242]

Let me help.
Here's the Wa. law that he applied:
RCW 46.37.050Tail lamps.
(1) After January 1, 1964, every motor vehicle, trailer, semitrailer, and pole trailer, and any other vehicle which is being drawn at the end of a combination of vehicles, shall be equipped with at least two tail lamps mounted on the rear, which, when lighted as required in RCW 46.37.020, shall emit a red light plainly visible from a distance of one thousand feet to the rear, except that passenger cars manufactured or assembled prior to January 1, 1939, shall have at least one tail lamp. On a combination of vehicles only the tail lamps on the rearmost vehicle need actually be seen from the distance specified. On vehicles equipped with more than one tail lamp, the lamps shall be mounted on the same level and as widely spaced laterally as practicable.

(2) Every tail lamp upon every vehicle shall be located at a height of not more than seventy-two inches nor less than fifteen inches.

(3) Either a tail lamp or a separate lamp shall be so constructed and placed as to illuminate with a white light the rear registration plate and render it clearly legible from a distance of fifty feet to the rear. Any tail lamp or tail lamps, together with any separate lamp or lamps for illuminating the rear registration plate, shall be so wired as to be lighted whenever the head lamps or auxiliary driving lamps are lighted.

Fix it tickets: Are a pain in the ass for officers. They warn you and say .."fix it, if you don't and the card isn't returned I will then mail the ticket to you." Cops don't want to do the follow up. So it's write or not write is the typical norm.

Finally, I supervised 9 Troops here in WA. I ruled with this motto: "Any invitation to stop a car take it." Now before you kill me on getting people stopped, I promoted this is what we get paid to do....stop cars. If I said, "drive around, look cool and eat doughnuts, cuz we don't get paid enough" How's that make you feel. Tickets are up to the troops who stop you and the contact that is made. On this stop, I would suggest that you guys are more on track to 'sniff' check on DUI. Again, do you want cops looking to protect or sitting and watching a movie on their laptops? concert lets out, small sports car = possibe risk taker and a possible DUI = a stop. No biggie.....

I've stopped some pretty cool people and found some real criminals on these 'chippy stops'!!! Bad guys don't think you will take the time to stop them for it and legal guys think you are wasting their time. If you think you're pissed for the silly stop, then you should see the guy who gets his car seized for drugs on that same silly stop!

The commander in Gig Harbor at the dentist is not over the guy on 167. FYI. Good guy, but wrong District, unless the Bellevue Commander went to Gig Harbor Dentist.

so relax people and you're right....TALK more about the concert!


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) Eeesssh parnoid people.......?

[PeeGreen 914]

Let me help.
Here's the Wa. law that he applied:
RCW 46.37.050Tail lamps.
(1) After January 1, 1964, every motor vehicle, trailer, semitrailer, and pole trailer, and any other vehicle which is being drawn at the end of a combination of vehicles, shall be equipped with at least two tail lamps mounted on the rear, which, when lighted as required in RCW 46.37.020, shall emit a red light plainly visible from a distance of one thousand feet to the rear, except that passenger cars manufactured or assembled prior to January 1, 1939, shall have at least one tail lamp. On a combination of vehicles only the tail lamps on the rearmost vehicle need actually be seen from the distance specified. On vehicles equipped with more than one tail lamp, the lamps shall be mounted on the same level and as widely spaced laterally as practicable.

(2) Every tail lamp upon every vehicle shall be located at a height of not more than seventy-two inches nor less than fifteen inches.

(3) Either a tail lamp or a separate lamp shall be so constructed and placed as to illuminate with a white light the rear registration plate and render it clearly legible from a distance of fifty feet to the rear. Any tail lamp or tail lamps, together with any separate lamp or lamps for illuminating the rear registration plate, shall be so wired as to be lighted whenever the head lamps or auxiliary driving lamps are lighted.

Fix it tickets: Are a pain in the ass for officers. They warn you and say .."fix it, if you don't and the card isn't returned I will then mail the ticket to you." Cops don't want to do the follow up. So it's write or not write is the typical norm.

Finally, I supervised 9 Troops here in WA. I ruled with this motto: "Any invitation to stop a car take it." Now before you kill me on getting people stopped, I promoted this is what we get paid to do....stop cars. If I said, "drive around, look cool and eat doughnuts, cuz we don't get paid enough" How's that make you feel. Tickets are up to the troops who stop you and the contact that is made. On this stop, I would suggest that you guys are more on track to 'sniff' check on DUI. Again, do you want cops looking to protect or sitting and watching a movie on their laptops? concert lets out, small sports car = possibe risk taker and a possible DUI = a stop. No biggie.....

I've stopped some pretty cool people and found some real criminals on these 'chippy stops'!!! Bad guys don't think you will take the time to stop them for it and legal guys think you are wasting their time. If you think you're pissed for the silly stop, then you should see the guy who gets his car seized for drugs on that same silly stop!

The commander in Gig Harbor at the dentist is not over the guy on 167. FYI. Good guy, but wrong District, unless the Bellevue Commander went to Gig Harbor Dentist.

so relax people and you're right....TALK more about the concert!


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) Eeesssh parnoid people.......?

Mark, just because you are a cool guy and a very nice officer does not mean all of your colleagues are (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) .

Pulling people over for no reason other than the color of a light seems assholish no matter what. If there was something else sure.

[Eric_Shea]

Being Jon Bovey would be "probable cause" for me... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif)

[messix]

Being Jon Bovey would be "probable cause" for me... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif)

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