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> headers vs heat exchangers?, what is the benefit?
VaccaRabite
post Dec 3 2005, 12:32 AM
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On a stock D-jet 2.0, is there any benefit to going to header instead of the heat exchangers?I have the engine out, the exhaust off, and want to know the score.

I know that will loose cabin heat, but, well, it just aint that kinda car (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) .

Do the headers weigh any less then the exchangers?

I have the old, rusty stock exhaust. Can I do better? I have read tht the stockers flow pretty well. But it is heavy as hell.

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post Dec 3 2005, 12:43 AM
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You can go with SSI (Stainless with H/Es) or Euro Race Header, Tangerine Racing's header...
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post Dec 3 2005, 01:13 AM
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your stock system sucks (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

....worse design out there is the '75/'76 exhaust....'73/'74 2.0 stock or any model SSI would be a big improvement

Headers such as the Eurorace would be better than the h/e's due to better flow and weighing less

top of the line is Tangerine racing
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post Dec 3 2005, 01:19 AM
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the stainless HEsw weigh alot less that stock HEs
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post Dec 3 2005, 01:43 AM
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QUOTE (Vacca Rabite @ Dec 2 2005, 10:32 PM)
On a stock D-jet 2.0
Do the headers weigh any less then the exchangers?


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Like he said....
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post Dec 3 2005, 02:00 AM
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QUOTE (Dead Air @ Dec 3 2005, 12:43 AM)
QUOTE (Vacca Rabite @ Dec 2 2005, 10:32 PM)
On a stock D-jet 2.0
Do the headers weigh any less then the exchangers?


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Like he said....
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what part of my post didn't you read?? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

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Headers such as the Eurorace would be better than the h/e's due to better flow and weighing less


less tubing used, no sheet metal covering the tubes, a smaller muffler can be used, so yes, headers are lighter.....
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post Dec 3 2005, 02:45 AM
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QUOTE (Mueller @ Dec 3 2005, 12:00 AM)
[QUOTE=Dead Air,Dec 3 2005, 12:43 AM] [QUOTE=Vacca Rabite,Dec 2 2005, 10:32 PM] On a stock D-jet 2.0
Do the headers weigh any less then the exchangers?

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Like he said....
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what part of my post didn't you read?? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

[QUOTE]Headers such as the Eurorace would be better than the h/e's due to better flow and weighing less
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less tubing used, no sheet metal covering the tubes, a smaller muffler can be used, so yes, headers are lighter.....

yeah, you got me on that one ,smart guy... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif)
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but, would you powder coat them? Huh, would ya?

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powdercoat rear view mirror?
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post Dec 3 2005, 07:42 AM
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Well Headers damn well better make more power. and the Top of the line Header will be on my car by Christmas. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/boldblue.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/boldblue.gif)
Grass Roots Motor Sports di the 914 project and reported gains in power from headers. Kind of did a bang for the buck comparision. Bursch 4-2-1 and 2.0 SSI seemed the best HP for thr dollar.

I got that and now I want more
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post Dec 3 2005, 09:18 AM
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To gain 6-7hp install the early style 2.0L SSI HE's witha Bursch or Triad muffler.

If you want more install a Tangerine Header and lose the heat.

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post Dec 3 2005, 09:50 AM
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The tricky part is finding a good deal on 2.0L SS HEs. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif) I've been looking. Anyone have any leads??
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post Dec 3 2005, 10:04 AM
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So what does a good set of used SSIs go for, if you can find them?

If I find a set of headers I will have a set of SSIs for sale. Along with a decent Bursch.
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post Dec 3 2005, 10:15 AM
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I'll take the heat.....ladies like it too!
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post Dec 3 2005, 11:57 AM
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If I find a set of headers I will have a set of SSIs for sale. Along with a decent Bursch.

I want those!!!
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post Dec 3 2005, 12:03 PM
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used 2l SSI's are about 400 or so.....

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post Dec 3 2005, 04:53 PM
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Unless it's going to be a race car, the SSI exchangers are the way to go - even if you don't need heat, windshield defrost sure is nice!
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post Dec 3 2005, 04:56 PM
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Okay, I;ll start looking for a set of the 2.0 SSI and another muffler.

Thanks guys.

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post Dec 3 2005, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE (Dan (Almaden Valley) @ Dec 3 2005, 09:04 AM)
So what does a good set of used SSIs go for, if you can find them?

i know of a stack of at least 100 sets, brand new in the original boxes ...

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post Dec 3 2005, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE (SirAndy @ Dec 3 2005, 06:36 PM)
QUOTE (Dan (Almaden Valley) @ Dec 3 2005, 09:04 AM)
So what does a good set of used SSIs go for, if you can find them?

i know of a stack of at least 100 sets, brand new in the original boxes ...

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Great. Where?

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post Dec 3 2005, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE (Vacca Rabite @ Dec 3 2005, 04:44 PM)
Great. Where?
You tease.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/mueba.gif)

won't do you any good, he'll only sell to resellers, not endusers ...

now, if we had a individual with fairly deep pockets, we could buy the whole load and sell them through the 914club eCommerce ...
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post Dec 3 2005, 06:11 PM
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Keep the heat!!

When I bought my car, the heat flappers were missing. I couldn't stand driving the car even when the outside temps were 60F. Now with heat, I can drive my 914 year round (except in the snow) and I find that I can drive it as much in the winter as summer.

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