On a stock D-jet 2.0, is there any benefit to going to header instead of the heat exchangers?I have the engine out, the exhaust off, and want to know the score.

I know that will loose cabin heat, but, well, it just aint that kinda car .

Do the headers weigh any less then the exchangers?

I have the old, rusty stock exhaust. Can I do better? I have read tht the stockers flow pretty well. But it is heavy as hell.

Thanks

Zach

You can go with SSI (Stainless with H/Es) or Euro Race Header, Tangerine Racing's header...

your stock system sucks

....worse design out there is the '75/'76 exhaust....'73/'74 2.0 stock or any model SSI would be a big improvement

Headers such as the Eurorace would be better than the h/e's due to better flow and weighing less

top of the line is Tangerine racing

the stainless HEsw weigh alot less that stock HEs

QUOTE (Vacca Rabite @ Dec 2 2005, 10:32 PM)

On a stock D-jet 2.0 Do the headers weigh any less then the exchangers?

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Like he said....

QUOTE (Dead Air @ Dec 3 2005, 12:43 AM)

QUOTE (Vacca Rabite @ Dec 2 2005, 10:32 PM) On a stock D-jet 2.0 Do the headers weigh any less then the exchangers? [QUOTE] Like he said....

what part of my post didn't you read??

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Headers such as the Eurorace would be better than the h/e's due to better flow and weighing less

less tubing used, no sheet metal covering the tubes, a smaller muffler can be used, so yes, headers are lighter.....

QUOTE (Mueller @ Dec 3 2005, 12:00 AM)

[QUOTE=Dead Air,Dec 3 2005, 12:43 AM] [QUOTE=Vacca Rabite,Dec 2 2005, 10:32 PM] On a stock D-jet 2.0 Do the headers weigh any less then the exchangers? [/QUOTE] [QUOTE] Like he said.... [/QUOTE] what part of my post didn't you read?? [QUOTE]Headers such as the Eurorace would be better than the h/e's due to better flow and weighing less [/QUOTE] less tubing used, no sheet metal covering the tubes, a smaller muffler can be used, so yes, headers are lighter.....

yeah, you got me on that one ,smart guy...
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but, would you powder coat them? Huh, would ya?

At 3:34 in the morning ( ) I got time to read every single word of every single thread.
I don't think so!
powdercoat rear view mirror?
powder coat shifter knob?
powder coat Porsche crest?
Huh? Huh?

Well Headers damn well better make more power. and the Top of the line Header will be on my car by Christmas.
Grass Roots Motor Sports di the 914 project and reported gains in power from headers. Kind of did a bang for the buck comparision. Bursch 4-2-1 and 2.0 SSI seemed the best HP for thr dollar.

I got that and now I want more

To gain 6-7hp install the early style 2.0L SSI HE's witha Bursch or Triad muffler.

If you want more install a Tangerine Header and lose the heat.

The tricky part is finding a good deal on 2.0L SS HEs. I've been looking. Anyone have any leads??

So what does a good set of used SSIs go for, if you can find them?

If I find a set of headers I will have a set of SSIs for sale. Along with a decent Bursch.

I'll take the heat.....ladies like it too!

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If I find a set of headers I will have a set of SSIs for sale. Along with a decent Bursch.

I want those!!!

used 2l SSI's are about 400 or so.....

Unless it's going to be a race car, the SSI exchangers are the way to go - even if you don't need heat, windshield defrost sure is nice!

Okay, I;ll start looking for a set of the 2.0 SSI and another muffler.

Thanks guys.

Zach

QUOTE (Dan (Almaden Valley) @ Dec 3 2005, 09:04 AM)

So what does a good set of used SSIs go for, if you can find them?

i know of a stack of at least 100 sets, brand new in the original boxes ...

Andy

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Dec 3 2005, 06:36 PM)

QUOTE (Dan (Almaden Valley) @ Dec 3 2005, 09:04 AM) So what does a good set of used SSIs go for, if you can find them? i know of a stack of at least 100 sets, brand new in the original boxes ... Andy

Great. Where?

You tease....

Zach

QUOTE (Vacca Rabite @ Dec 3 2005, 04:44 PM)

Great. Where? You tease....

won't do you any good, he'll only sell to resellers, not endusers ...

now, if we had a individual with fairly deep pockets, we could buy the whole load and sell them through the 914club eCommerce ...
Andy

Keep the heat!!

When I bought my car, the heat flappers were missing. I couldn't stand driving the car even when the outside temps were 60F. Now with heat, I can drive my 914 year round (except in the snow) and I find that I can drive it as much in the winter as summer.

Spoke

Another vote for heat. One of the nicest thing about a 914 is driving around on a sunny yet crisp winter's day with the top off and the heat blasting.

oh yeah, the chicks love that!

How do the stock heat exchangers (72-74 2.0) flow compaired to the stainless ones. The SSI ones seem to be very hard to come by. The only place I can find them new is AA, for $$$$.

*edit* and I don't want them new, but can't find them used. */edit*

Zach

QUOTE (Vacca Rabite @ Dec 5 2005, 04:24 PM)

The SSI ones seem to be very hard to come by.

SSI's have a larger dia. tube, so flow is better with them. also, heat is better/faster ...

i even ran a set of 1.8L SSI's on my warmed over 2056 without trouble ...

they show up on ebay from time to time ...

Andy

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Dec 5 2005, 07:52 PM)

QUOTE (Vacca Rabite @ Dec 5 2005, 04:24 PM) The SSI ones seem to be very hard to come by. SSI's have a larger dia. tube, so flow is better with them. also, heat is better/faster ... i even ran a set of 1.8L SSI's on my warmed over 2056 without trouble ... they show up on ebay from time to time ... Andy

I got some 1.8L SSI's off ebay for $200 shipped

I think there are some on their now for about that, probably a little more. IIRC the ID of both 1.8 and 2.0 SSI HE's is the same, so they both flow the same amount, just with the 1.8 you need to run a different muffler (which means no triad b/c they do not make a 1.8 model)

So, the 1.8 SSI exchangers will fit and work on a 2.0 engine? Am I reading that correctly? The bolt up correctly to the exhaust ports on the 2.0 engine? The are the right length for the muffler?

What would be the point of differentiation then? Are the flanges different for the 1.7/1.8 mufflers then the 2.0?

Zach

There is a bend at the end to locate the muffler flange higher to fit a stock 1.8L muffler. They work fine.

QUOTE (Bleyseng @ Dec 4 2005, 07:11 AM)

oh yeah, the chicks love that!

You raise chicks???

No, the girls that ride in my 914 like the top off and the heat on.

Well, it looks like I found a set of stainless exchangers over at the bird board.

Wohoo!

Bit by bit this car is comming together. Man, for a car with a relativly small ownership base, I am constantly surprised with the quality of the owners!

Zach

if you are changing over to the 73-74 style HE's you also need new Jtubes, S warmair guides and those tubes that go to the flapper valves to make it work. It can be off any 70-74 early style HE set up it took make it all work.

QUOTE (Bleyseng @ Dec 5 2005, 11:44 PM)

if you are changing over to the 73-74 style HE's you also need new Jtubes, S warmair guides and those tubes that go to the flapper valves to make it work. It can be off any 70-74 early style HE set up it took make it all work.

I diddn't know that. Thanks.

Zach