The $5k Engine, It's real. Options

[Lavanaut]

My biggest concern is usually SMOG/Emission controls. Secondly would be an early car for the bumpers (backdating costs $). Other than that I don't have much preference.

Good feedback, but I was thinking more from a technical standpoint. For example, a set of 1.7 rockers has to be sourced, correct? And I believe I read that 2.0l heads make more power than 1.7/1.8?

It's more from that standpoint that I was asking. Should've included those examples in my original question, my bad. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

Lava

[McMark]

Ahhh, I get it now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) You absolutely need a set of 8mm rockers (commonly on 1.7s, but found on others). 914 2.0 heads make the most power, but we could build off of 1.8 or bus 2.0 heads. 1.7 heads take some minor work to adapt. Finding a 2.0 engine would be the best solution because you get most of the necessary core items in one place for one price. But if you got a 1.7/1.8, sourcing the 2.0 parts necessary is not difficult.

Maybe that helps a little more. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)

[914werke]

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I see this thread started several years ago. How much hp could you get out of a complete 1.7 motor retaining FI and how much are we talking?

[McMark]

Do you mean how much HP keeping it a 1.7? Or turning the 1.7 into a 1911?

[scottb]

i will post a "seat of the pants" update as soon as i get the car back from our friends at CFR.

mark was always great with communication and letting me know what was slowing things down (yep, heads). i had some issues with selling a house which added to the time but that was all my fault. mark was great to accomodate.

anyway, i hope to have an update in about a week.

cheers....

scottb

[scottb]

check out my thread in the garage.....

this engine is great!!!!!

BUY ONE!!!!

you know you want it.... your wife will forgive you in time... mine did.

[bembry]

Whoo Hoo! I'm going for it!

My car has been sitting around dead for way too long.

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[alex914]

Mark finished putting in a variation of one of these 2056 engines in my 73. It was a special kit Jake Raby put together that had different heads. The car hasn't been dyno'd yet so I can't give any concrete numbers. The goal was 140+hp. The engine has transformed my once tame car into something pretty fierce.
The engine develops lots of torque and it's easy to break the back end loose around corners now.
I splurged and bought a Tangerine header so the 914 sounds a bit like a race car at full throttle.

Mark is a true enthusiast and a thoughtful engine builder. I can't recommend this motor enough!

[scottb]

a bump and an update. had a lean situation on the 3rd cylinder carb throat that caused a backfire. chased a bunch of dead ends before figuring that out. got that done in the late fall and have had the car out a number of times this spring. total of about 2k miles on the engine and it runs like a champ. the temp on the stock guage never gets past 1/4 even in hot stop and go traffic. i have early tangerine style headers and a non-stock muffler so should be around 140 hp per the literature.

this thing is a blast. i am fortunate to also have an evil built transaxle along with a j-west fully modded shift linkage so my drive train is very solid and sound. i have nothing but praise for the motor, trans and linkage. along with the work from the good folks at CFR in manchester CT.

buy one of these engines. you will not regret it.

if you are in the northeast and considering one of these engines, send me a message an i would be happy to let you take the car out for a spin.

cheers,

scott

[ConeDodger]

Mark is a true enthusiast and a thoughtful engine builder. I can't recommend this motor enough!

And he has a big brain! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Cevan]

a bump and an update. had a lean situation on the 3rd cylinder carb throat that caused a backfire. chased a bunch of dead ends before figuring that out. got that done in the late fall and have had the car out a number of times this spring. total of about 2k miles on the engine and it runs like a champ. the temp on the stock guage never gets past 1/4 even in hot stop and go traffic. i have early tangerine style headers and a non-stock muffler so should be around 140 hp per the literature.

this thing is a blast. i am fortunate to also have an evil built transaxle along with a j-west fully modded shift linkage so my drive train is very solid and sound. i have nothing but praise for the motor, trans and linkage. along with the work from the good folks at CFR in manchester CT.

buy one of these engines. you will not regret it.

if you are in the northeast and considering one of these engines, send me a message an i would be happy to let you take the car out for a spin.

cheers,

scott

Hey Scott, I put a 2.0 in my car this past winter to replace the 1.8 and I'm happy with the modest increase in power. When the 2.0 eventually needs a rebuild, I'll probably build a Raby kit. I'd love to go for a spin in the mean time.

Chris

[JazonJJordan]

a bump and an update. had a lean situation on the 3rd cylinder carb throat that caused a backfire. chased a bunch of dead ends before figuring that out. got that done in the late fall and have had the car out a number of times this spring. total of about 2k miles on the engine and it runs like a champ. the temp on the stock guage never gets past 1/4 even in hot stop and go traffic. i have early tangerine style headers and a non-stock muffler so should be around 140 hp per the literature.

this thing is a blast. i am fortunate to also have an evil built transaxle along with a j-west fully modded shift linkage so my drive train is very solid and sound. i have nothing but praise for the motor, trans and linkage. along with the work from the good folks at CFR in manchester CT.

buy one of these engines. you will not regret it.

if you are in the northeast and considering one of these engines, send me a message an i would be happy to let you take the car out for a spin.

cheers,

scott

Hey Scott, I put a 2.0 in my car this past winter to replace the 1.8 and I'm happy with the modest increase in power. When the 2.0 eventually needs a rebuild, I'll probably build a Raby kit. I'd love to go for a spin in the mean time.

Chris

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$41/month to $83/month to have a 50% more powerful-cooler engine.
Cost shared over life of the engine five or ten years. Getting to drive it (fast!) 8,000 to 10,000 miles a year as a daily (fun) driver.
Gad, it would save $83 a month on wear and tear on my regular car every other month anyway. Miles I don't put on my new car. 4,000 miles a year vs. 12,000.
It adds up with a newer car at resale time. And maintance time. And repair time.

Heck, its' your duty to your wife and family to save them this cost and buy a 2056 engine.
Its' the right thing to do...$10 dollars a week has never been so fun...
?what excuses?
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[JazonJJordan]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/santa_smiley.gif) I will be in line shorty. Skipping $10 lunch at work and $50 a week closer. + extra (work) shifts. Now saved $3100...Thanks for the great work! jzn (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

[scottb]

went for a tear today and am still very happy with the motor. pulls like a fiend well past 6k. with dual webers and a header, sounds awesome with a very even acceleration. i remain a very happy customer.

cheers....

scott

[914rat]

So the 125 hp motor with a Tangerene Header produces 140+ hp?

[McMark]

Somewhere in that range, with the high end HP cam and the tangerine headers. But that cam does have a bit of a 'lumpy' idle, so a lot of the 2056s get a cam that gives up a little top end HP in favor of better low speed drivability.

And it necessary to note that the HP estimations are just that, estimates. I'm not selling a HP number, and no HP number is guaranteed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[914rat]

I understand that a longblock engine only has horespower potential up to a certain point.The true power has to be tuned in by the final installer.I just wanted to clarify in my own understanding of how these engines get power and the potential of their state of tune under the best circumstances, build quality with professional labor using quality parts that work as a combo,proven ignition,proven induction,and proven exhaust.Then final tune on a dyno to optimize the system to verify results.

So the potential of the $5000 engine is 0-143.75 based on the Tangerine adding 15% more power.Under the scrutiny of ignition,induction, exhaust, and final tuning.

I never really got the full potential of a 2056 until now.
That is friggin awesome.

I might be able to get 100 HP with my tuning abilities. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[McMark]

Additionally, every set of heads is slightly different and compression ratio varies from engine to engine, as well as the slight differences between intake/exhaust port flow. So two engines with the same setup on paper can perform differently when they're actually built.

[Gint]

Hey Mark! If this build is what we talked about today, then I don't have any other expectations. Can't wait. I've got a set of ACE built 40 IDFs, and a Mallory lookin for a new home. I'll pm some questions about core, etc... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_bump.gif) and (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cheer.gif)