 4 to 6 Steering Column Conversion, Need help with the details |
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| mg911guy |
 Dec 21 2005, 11:56 AM
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Beaner-Schnitzel  Group: Members Posts: 22 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Camarillo, CA. Member No.: 4,900  |
Hi all, I have been lurking here for a while now. You guys crack me up! I can always count on you to make me laugh out loud at my computer monitor. My family must think i'm nuts. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)
I have a 70/4 and the parts to replace my 4 Steering Column with a 6 clone. Like Clay Perrine has shown on his web site. I have collected the following parts: 66 911 Steering Column (From Pick A Part 2 years ago!) 66 911 Turn and Wiper Switches 66 911 Steering wheel center hub. Wheel was missing when I pulled it.This is just the splined center w/turn cancel disk. 73 911 Steering Column (20th St. Auto Parts) 73 911 Turn Switch 72 914/4 Steering Column (Ebay) 72 Turn and Wiper Switches on the column 70 914/4 Steering Column (Existing) 70 914/4 Steering wheel 83? 911 Steering Column Tube is too short.(Pomona Swap) 75 911 3 and 4 spoke Steering wheels 72 911 Locking Ignition Assy. Complete I know the 66 911 column is not right. It is a big chunk of cast metal with the housing setup totally different from the later (68?-73) style. But the turn and wiper switches will work. I have the 73 turn switch wired and working in the 914 already. I still need to convert the wiper over. I was thinking that I could use the intermittent relay for the 3rd wiper position. My 75 911 has a seperate switch/round knob located on the dash! and I just move into the 1st wiper position and dial the knob to control the delay. Sorry I just spaced.. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif) My question is where do I locate the 72 column plate on the 73 tube? I have removed the 2 original mounts from the tube and cleaned it up. Also, a few years ago I bought a fire damaged 911 Locking Ign Switch and cut the locking mech/tube back about 1 1/2" and enlarged the left side dash hole nearest to the column. And used the left key ign. My VW Ign cyl pulled out with the key one day. I was using the Stanley Key after that. (Screwdriver). I have a complete assy now. Can I weld in the corresponding key/ign mount from a early 911/912? are they the same or similar. You know the stamped deep round sheet metal that makes the /6 dash special. Since I have a later key/ign the bezel is much bigger and flatter than those shown in the /6 pics I have seen. Are they the same thread size? Once I sort out all the wiring I will post the conversion wiring, If someone hasn't already? Thanks Mark |
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| Eddie Williams |
Dec 21 2005, 12:40 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 822 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Nederland, TX Member No.: 55 Region Association: None |
I'm planning on doing the same, but havenot collected all the parts.
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| markb |
Dec 21 2005, 01:06 PM
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914less :( Group: Members Posts: 5,449 Joined: 22-January 03 From: Nipomo, CA Member No.: 180 Region Association: Central California 
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Hi Mark! I'd like to do the same thing someday. Can you take lots of pics of what you're doing, so we can follow along? Thanks.
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| mg911guy |
Dec 21 2005, 01:14 PM
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Beaner-Schnitzel Group: Members Posts: 22 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Camarillo, CA. Member No.: 4,900 |
Yes I can. I have begun the conversion. But I will try and capture the important pic's. I was able to use my 911 steering wheels on the stock /4 column. Although they were poking me in my beer gut. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beer.gif)
OT: I just heard about Mike Mueller. Donated to the Fund via PayPal. I hope it all gets sorted out. Mark... |
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| jim912928 |
Dec 21 2005, 01:22 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,485 Joined: 8-January 04 From: Granger, IN Member No.: 1,536 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Hmmm..interesting thought. I have an 84 911 donor car...wonder if I could just transfer the whole thing?
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| lapuwali |
Dec 21 2005, 01:49 PM
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Not another one! Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743  |
It appears the only major conversion effort required (besides collecting parts), is grafting the 914 four-hole mounting plate onto the 911 steering column tube. The real 911 or 914/6 keyswitch is optional, and really only required if you want a steering lock. There are plenty of nice keyswitches you can use to mount in the dash.
Some of the advantages of this swap: the wiring for the high beams becomes simpler. The high beams on the 911/912 come on by just flipping the lever forward. No more goofball latching relay to select low/high beams. If you have an early car, you gain the wiper switch on a stalk. The washer switch is electric, so you can easily add an electric washer pump rather than use the air in the spare tire. |
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| ClayPerrine |
Dec 21 2005, 02:26 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,474 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille
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The angle of the key in a 914/6 is different from a 911. The key actually angles upward.
As for the column, all you have to do is measure the distance from the front end (opposite end from the steering wheel) of the column to the mounting plate on a 4 cyl column. Then cut the column off the mounting plate. Cut the mounts off the 911 column, and weld it onto the 4 cyl mounting plate. If you can find an 914/6 dash frame, then it's a bolt in for you. |
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| mg911guy |
Dec 21 2005, 02:31 PM
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Beaner-Schnitzel Group: Members Posts: 22 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Camarillo, CA. Member No.: 4,900 |
Thanks All now I get to go home and measure and cut and weld.. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sawzall-smiley.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/welder.gif)
I will let you know with some pics soon. Mark.. |
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| michelko |
Dec 22 2005, 12:05 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 867 Joined: 30-November 03 From: Germany, Lambsheim Member No.: 1,404 Region Association: None |
Sorry no meassurements taken while my conversion, but here are some pic´s that may help.
Parts to fit the ignition to dashboard Attached image(s) 
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| michelko |
Dec 22 2005, 12:06 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 867 Joined: 30-November 03 From: Germany, Lambsheim Member No.: 1,404 Region Association: None |
hole in the dash
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| michelko |
Dec 22 2005, 12:07 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 867 Joined: 30-November 03 From: Germany, Lambsheim Member No.: 1,404 Region Association: None |
lock in
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| michelko |
Dec 22 2005, 12:18 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 867 Joined: 30-November 03 From: Germany, Lambsheim Member No.: 1,404 Region Association: None |
This is how it looks today. Note the missing plastic cover over the ignition switch. Also missing the cover around the column (eybows)
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_flagge6.gif) Attached image(s) 
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| markb |
Dec 22 2005, 01:10 AM
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914less :( Group: Members Posts: 5,449 Joined: 22-January 03 From: Nipomo, CA Member No.: 180 Region Association: Central California
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Nice interior, michelko. I could never have something that light, I'd have greasy boot prints all over it inside of 2 minutes. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
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| michelko |
Dec 22 2005, 11:51 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 867 Joined: 30-November 03 From: Germany, Lambsheim Member No.: 1,404 Region Association: None |
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/agree.gif) looks realy awsome but is so fu***ng sensitive to any kind of dirt (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif) Can you find the first dirt spot on the new upholstery? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/huh.gif) Maybe i will change sometime to black. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_flagge6.gif) |
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| Aaron Cox |
Dec 22 2005, 11:53 AM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
seat cushion?
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| mg911guy |
Dec 22 2005, 12:45 PM
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Beaner-Schnitzel Group: Members Posts: 22 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Camarillo, CA. Member No.: 4,900 |
Michelko Thanks thats the kind of info I'm looking for. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rocking nana.gif)
I haven't had a chance to work on the column. Mrs. said something about a christmas season and how my car gets more attention (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif) Mark... |
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| ClayPerrine |
Dec 22 2005, 01:04 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,474 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille
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To make the surround for the key, I took a 911 surround and turned it down with a file until its just a little larger than the hole. It looks fine.
As for the "eyebrows", I didn't use them. I made a custom front for the dash that eliminates them. |
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| jim912928 |
Dec 22 2005, 03:07 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,485 Joined: 8-January 04 From: Granger, IN Member No.: 1,536 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
This could be cool...if I keep my 84 steering column mated with my engine...I can wire up the cruise control!!!!!
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| Scott S |
Dec 22 2005, 03:43 PM
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Small Member Group: Members Posts: 1,697 Joined: 30-April 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 633 |
Wow - super classy interior.....
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| mg911guy |
Dec 23 2005, 01:37 PM
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Beaner-Schnitzel Group: Members Posts: 22 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Camarillo, CA. Member No.: 4,900 |
Here are the pictures. Mark...
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