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post Dec 23 2005, 08:44 PM
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Patrick Motorsports shows one on their website for like 500 bucks...looks like it might even have a drain plug on the bottom. Anybody have any experience with the tanks he sells?
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post Dec 23 2005, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE (trekkor @ Dec 23 2005, 06:43 PM)
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Trekkor, which tank did you use??


Used Vellios...No leaks. AN -16 out, -12 in.

What motor mount will you use?

this otta be fun (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ph34r.gif)


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I havn't decided which mount to use yet.. i dont favor the quick six mount very much, but the bulkhead mount is expensive, but i think that is worth it... you have a quick six dont you trekkor?? how do you like it??
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post Dec 23 2005, 09:23 PM
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how do you like it??



It's great...No cracks. Easy install.
Price was right. Thanks Bill.
It's strong.

15 a/x's and 7 track days in a year should prove *something* (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif)


Plus, I can go back to a FOUR any time... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/w00t.gif)



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post Dec 23 2005, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE (trekkor @ Dec 23 2005, 07:23 PM)
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how do you like it??



It's great...No cracks. Easy install.
Price was right. Thanks Bill.
It's strong.

15 a/x's and 7 track days in a year should prove *something* (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif)


Plus, I can go back to a FOUR any time... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/w00t.gif)



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so are there any down sides to using a quick six mount?? i hear vavle adjustment can be hard with the factory four mounts in...
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post Dec 23 2005, 09:45 PM
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People say they break.

Valve adusts on a SIX are pretty much done with the engine on the ground.

Sorry.
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post Dec 23 2005, 09:47 PM
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QUOTE (trekkor @ Dec 23 2005, 07:45 PM)
People say they break.


(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/icon8.gif) i'd hate to have my car come to a screaching halt, just to look under and see my engine laying under the car (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif)
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post Dec 23 2005, 09:58 PM
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Exactly...
Where are the true life stories?

I've only heard that from people for no apparent reason have a problem with PMS (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)


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post Dec 23 2005, 10:01 PM
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QUOTE (trekkor @ Dec 23 2005, 08:58 PM)
Exactly...
Where are the true life stories?

I've only heard from people for no apparent reason have a problem with PMS (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)


KT

small sixes are ok with a PMS bar....

i hear the big 3.0+ motors break them....
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post Dec 23 2005, 10:43 PM
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QUOTE (trekkor @ Dec 23 2005, 07:45 PM)


Valve adusts on a SIX are pretty much done with the engine on the ground.

Sorry.

Not at my house. Valve adjusts are easier than a CIS 9eleben.
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post Dec 23 2005, 10:49 PM
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the PMS bulkhead style is expensive, but it makes motor drops very easy...

heck at the PCA club race in september we dropped the motor 3 times in the pits on saturday.... and I still got some practice and a qualifying session in.
(broken rocker shaft)

it certainly helps with valve adjustments.
so does the right valve cover hardware (which I will have by spring)
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post Dec 23 2005, 10:54 PM
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The valve adjust is fairly easy, provided you don't have 4 guys sitting around a 10 degree garage arguing about it. (Hi Lawrence and Gint!!!).



As for the tanks, the factory tanks are still available.

The quick six mount seems cheezy to me. I would go with a bulkhead mount. The mounts that Rich Johnson sells are much stronger than the factory six mount. No worries about the motor falling out of the car. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif)


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post Dec 23 2005, 11:13 PM
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I'm all for saving time and doing the valve adjust with the motor in the car...but.

How long does it take?

How does one get around the tight quarters?

Valve adusts were *fun* enough with the FOUR.



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QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Dec 23 2005, 09:54 PM)
The quick six mount seems cheezy to me. I would go with a bulkhead mount. The mounts that Rich Johnson sells are much stronger than the factory six mount. No worries about the motor falling out of the car. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/agree.gif) Rich Johnson front bulkhead mount is what i will be getting for my /6 ...

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool.gif) Andy
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post Dec 23 2005, 11:21 PM
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I guess I'm just missing the obvious, but the PMS bar mount appears to be the strongest part on my car. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)


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post Dec 24 2005, 04:13 AM
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QUOTE (grasshopper @ Dec 24 2005, 04:47 AM)
i'd hate to have my car come to a screaching halt, just to look under and see my engine laying under the car

Don't worry the shift bar + clutch cable cushion it... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

I like Rich Johnson's design -it uses 911 mounts which will give me some vibration insulation. Not sure whether PMS has any? I like the swivelling design...but by the time I've removed my gear linkage, clutch cable etc not sure the extra 2 bolts would save that much time & I would have to jack the rear up pretty high to get clearance for valves etc. Perfect on a race car like Brant's
I don't like the quicksix -The engine weight is trying to lever the mounts forward and twist the bar - I know there is the brake line + prep but drilling a few holes and welding 4 seams isn't the biggest job?
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post Dec 24 2005, 10:49 AM
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I agree Trekkor, the PMS bar is one of the last things I'm worried about. Most of the guys running HSR are running PMS bars. I've seen a picture of one that broke, but I know it was an early one with a big motor. I've not heard it called a quick-six bar though, as I thought that was a real cheesy piece made somewhere else..

T.C.
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post Dec 24 2005, 10:59 AM
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now i have to make my decision on an engine mount bar (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif) some people say PMS bars are horrible, and some people use and like them... i guess it all depends on experience.... but one thing i dont like, is that if you use a bulkhead mount, it is permanent.... and you might as well remove the original four mounts... so then you can never just bolt a four back in there.... right now i am leaning towards the PMS bars... just because like trekkor said, you can switch back to a four any time, if your SIX goes.... so PMS it is (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) people, dont insult me too much (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif)
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post Dec 24 2005, 11:00 AM
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QUOTE (trekkor @ Dec 23 2005, 09:21 PM)
I guess I'm just missing the obvious, but the PMS bar mount appears to be the strongest part on my car. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)


KT

That's too bad. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)
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The new PMS bars are fine for a 2.2. The torque gets to them if the motor is too big. They do not recommend using them with the 3.2's or 3.6's. My track 914 has a Rich Johnson mount. When you look at that thing, you can tell it's pretty stout.

My opinion is that with your motor choice you will be fine whichever bar you use. If you go bigger someday, then you have a few choices to make.

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post Dec 24 2005, 12:04 PM
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QUOTE (grasshopper @ Dec 24 2005, 05:59 PM)
just because like trekkor said, you can switch back to a four any time,

Has anyone ever reverted back to a four? Anyway I would've thought most people would sell on their old engine
I reckon the four would bolt right in with any bulkhead mount. I cant believe the four is longer than the six even with the impellor housing.
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