Carbs on a completely stock 2.0L, does it work Options

[pfierb]

QUOTE (rhodyguy @ Dec 30 2005, 11:09 AM)

what do you consider "less power and much worse mileage"? i've had to fill up no more often than other fi running cars. i get 27mpg during moderate freeway running. so fi cars get around 30? that's less than 50 miles per tank full. big deal. "...no one could get the car to run right..." unfortunate. my car runs just fine around town. in fact, it ran more than just fine stuck in santa barbara traffic during the terrible afternoon commute traffic. my car has had no carb issues during my drives to california. 3 times. twice for the classics and one solo trip to arcata. not to mention more trips to portland than i can remember. whistler...i had no problem keeping up with other members with 2.0s and various fi setups on the flat ground nor climbing numerous grades. in fact...never mind. i don't trailer my car. PERIOD! a dual webered engine that sneezes, pops back through the carbs, goes BANG out the exhaust on decel, has other issues. the garage is littered all the time with people having fi problems and it seems they are always chasing one damn thing or another. i just chuckle to myself everytime the weber debate surfaces. k

All I can say is the car runs so well now with the stock FI system that I can see no advantage to using carbs and plenty of disadvantages.....I suppose if anyone likes the boy racer look of those Webers he can talk himself into thinking that it is a great setup...just my opnion.

[Trekkor]

Not a 914, but an air-cooled 2110cc with a stock cam.
This is what I had in a Baja bug back in the 80's.
Ran dual Weber 34 ICT's.
No problems at all. Loved doing fast hillclimbs, three wheel offs and such.
Going from a 1600cc to a 2110cc was really good.
Ran the same carbs on both motors, too.

That's why when Albert went from a 2.0 to a 1.8 with the same carbs sucessfully, it was no surprise to me that it ran so well.

I don't know why I feel this way, carbs are just more fun to me. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)

KT

[Trekkor]

"pfierb"- Comments like that only get people on the defensive and really don't add to the converstion.

my suggestion is that you edit that post- (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif)


KT

[rhodyguy]

for heavens sakes (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif) i'm not suggesting everyone dump their fi setups and install carbs. what i am saying is, the conversion, poperly done, can result in a good running car. power loss (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif) . i'll keep waiting for someone to show the dyno results reflecting the major hp gain going back to fi on a stock engine.

"boy racer look"? please be more specific. what is the longest road trip (without a AAA or assistance call) you have done? the proof is in the driving. do 2300+ miles in a long weekend and get back to me. i need little convincing and don't bother editing your post on my account. you would have to try much harder than that to incite me.

k

This post has been edited by rhodyguy: Dec 30 2005, 09:55 AM

[Brotherbob]

Not stock , 1.8 , I will fire up TODAY.
Original 1.7
Lots of head work, 34 ICTS,.
Call me racer boy if ya wanna, I like carbs. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/screwy.gif)

[rhodyguy]

we boy racer LOSERS need some hats with a weber embroidered on them. i would wear mine sideways with the tag still hanging on it.

k

[JoeSharp]

Having a carbed car that runs is much better than spending Thousends on a D- Jet that dose not....
:PERMAGRIN: Joe

[pfierb]

Not trying to incite anyone nor am going to edit my post... that is just the way I feel about carbs on a 914-4... Had Webers on a couple of Alfa Guilias and they were wonderful but not for me on a 914....my opinion and I am entitled to it. Wouldn't drive any car 2300 miles on a long weekend.

[Carlitos Way]

I'm working on a 2.0 carb conversion with stock cam. I chose to go with Dual Weber 40's and a CB deluxe linkage. Consulted with John at Aircooled.net, and he recommended 32mm venturis, and some other jetting options (specific to where you live and the type of driving you will be doing).

The veredict is not in yet... but I think it will be running soon.

[SirAndy]

carbs SUCK
fi BLOWS

there you go, i said it ...
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif) Andy

[DanT]

Thanks Andy (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)

I was waiting for that from someone! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

[Bleyseng]

QUOTE (Joe Sharp @ Dec 30 2005, 08:35 AM)

Having a carbed car that runs is much better than spending Thousends on a D- Jet that dose not.... :PERMAGRIN: Joe

who all all these fools spending thousands of dollars on FI? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/WTF.gif)

I thought Webers are now made of unobtainium.....

Kevin's car runs great, no problems when I test drove it. I had carbs for 2 years and got sick of the cold starts and waiting for them to warm up, (no chokes). FI was in a box so I reinstalled it and figured out how to tune it on my own before Brad Anders site was around. Djet is pretty simple and MPS's do fail after 30 years of use! just like carb linkage wears out, throttle shafts wear out etc.....

The dyno stuff I have seen shows FI has more torque down low over carbs due to better mix control.

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[Tom Perso]

People - Please realize this...

When someone says that their car "feels" faster due to carbs, or FI... We are talking about a "butt" dyno. There is NO way anyone can really tell whether you're picking up or loosing Xhp at Yrpm. It just can't be done.

You stick two motors, one with stock FI and the other with a PROPERLY tuned set of webers, and you'll see probably the same peak HP - maybe more with carbs since they can flow well over stock D-Jet. But, you'll find a low end loss with carbs due to fuel/air mixture issues.

A well tuned FI system will beat webers on a cold startup, maybe a few more MPG, and mid-throttle transistions, but a tuned set of Webers will run for a LONG time without having to mess with 'em.

Plus, Webers sound hella-cool at full-tilt boogie.

We're splitting hairs here.

And for me, I consider boy-racer when I have my Gateway 675E laptop in the passenger seat tuning my FI... So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Tom

[Trekkor]

I approve of this thread... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)


KT

[DanT]

Thought you might like it Trekkor.
Got the idea from one of your threads the other day.
I was expecting a little more drama... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

[Trekkor]

QUOTE

one of your threads the other day

Which one?



KT

[DanT]

Don't recall offhand.

But I thought it sounded like a good thought provoking topic.

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[Gearhead1432]

I've thought about changing my 40 webers for Djet, but then again I REALY like carbs. Sure, they can be a total pain in the Arsch but so can anything else. I know carbs, that's what I have, and I like it.

Perhaps tuning webers is becoming a black art? Is that why a lot of people seem to hate them so?

Does anyone have hard data comparing a FI motor to a dual carbed one?

I know my 914 hauls ass when compared wilth my '72 type1. It also seems faster than a freind's old 1.8 914.

-Rob

[Trekkor]

As usual, my standard offer of my complete D-jet sysem for your complete dual 40 Weber set-up is still on the table.


KT

[Allan]

Never ran carbs on a /4 so I don't know, but if you run the wrong ones on a /6 it sucks... (BTW, Triple throat 40mm Webers may be for sale soon)...

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