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post Jan 3 2006, 09:17 PM
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Well I would have to agree, your nuts... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) But would very much like to see it... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/popcorn[1].gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/popcorn[1].gif)
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post Jan 3 2006, 09:48 PM
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I remember the original article in VW-Porsche (dating myself) - if its the same car. Twin turbos, 350-V8, 550hp, 200+mph. It was white if IRMC.

Tooo cool!
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post Jan 3 2006, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE (alpha434 @ Jan 3 2006, 07:09 PM)
QUOTE (URY914 @ Jan 3 2006, 06:51 PM)
QUOTE (Headrage @ Jan 3 2006, 06:47 PM)

Who are you???

I've been thinking the same thing. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif)

Jeeze guys, whats the problem?!? It's just too cold to jack with my own car so i sit around here and make y'all sweat a little.

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Now is this a ninja?
Or is it a terrorist?

Sweat?

HAHAHA, jeez...
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post Jan 3 2006, 10:26 PM
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QUOTE (dwillouby @ Jan 3 2006, 07:21 PM)
hello,

Been thinking about a new project. Has anyone driven a 914 over 200 mph?
Enough horsepower can be obtained with a V8. Might need turbos to keep the motor reasonable.
Aside from the required safety mods. any input on areo tricks would be helpful. I know a stock body tends to get very light at high speed. My stock bodied V8 conversion starts getting real skittish around 145.
Can this be done or am I nuts?

Thanks
David

OMG!

you HAVE to call me to take me for a ride!!!

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post Jan 3 2006, 10:30 PM
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Wasn't there an IMSA 914 with twin turbo power and snorkle type intakes that got close to 200 at the old Riverside raceway? It was converted back to it's real GT selt during a restoration I remember reading?
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post Jan 3 2006, 10:37 PM
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QUOTE (john rogers @ Jan 3 2006, 09:30 PM)
Wasn't there an IMSA 914 with twin turbo power and snorkle type intakes that got close to 200 at the old Riverside raceway? It was converted back to it's real GT selt during a restoration I remember reading?

the altec lansing car? big black one?
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post Jan 3 2006, 11:17 PM
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I was going to post a question to JP Stein.

Two years ago I was in Jeff Gamroths shop in Sherwood, Ore. We was building a NEW 914-GT for a gentlemen that owns a Carrera GT and an Enzo. It was a thing of beauty. Air cooler intake fabricated into the spare tire well up front. The 3.8RS engine was on a stand in the dyno room. Has anyone seen it at the track in Portland ? It is orange.

Jeff was talking F1 type performance. 0-60, a little over 3 seconds. It was a 916-GT type body. Not an IMSA kit. Speedster windshield. No roof.

I don't think the aero of car will let it go that fast. Will it ? The wing would be bigger than the car.
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post Jan 4 2006, 12:36 AM
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maxton mile is back east, north or south carolina? texas has some kinda open road event and a couple in nv and az
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post Jan 4 2006, 12:50 AM
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This isn't really all that difficult to do.

The technology is already done. Just takes some time and some CUBIC DOLLARS.

A little wind tunnel testing. Voila... 200+ MPH car.

The big question is the following:

How long do you want it to stay at 200MPH? One shot deal? 5 minutes? 1/2 hour?



Cause the build requirements CAN be very differant.

Dude.. Go for it. It can be done.. If ya want to meet some guys from the SCTA / Gear grinders in SoCal.

Gimme a mail.. They are used to go over 200MPH on Dirt..... (lake beds) Hell on Asphalt they are faster..

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Carry on and make it happen.

And I hope you have CUBIC DOLLARS. Or a race shop and volunteers. Or you are just that nuts and make it work on the cheap. either way... JUST DO IT..!!

Happy New Year..!!

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post Jan 4 2006, 12:58 AM
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post Jan 4 2006, 12:59 AM
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put in a low sloping windshield like porsche factory did. Then remove the rear window entirely. Angle the targa bar so it provides downforce. Or angle it at 0 and go langchek.

Langchec is german for longtail. 917s had a langchek version. The idea is that a longer spoiler eguals the same downforce with less drag.

911 whaletails are like this
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post Jan 4 2006, 01:42 AM
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Read this

The gist:
475 ponies will push a late model Camaro with a drag coefficient of .33 to a theoretical 212 mph with the right gearing. The 914 has a drag coefficient of .45.

The langheck 917s had no downforce, because Dr Piech wanted it that way.
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post Jan 4 2006, 06:52 AM
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Thanks guys, This is still just a plan for now. I want the car to be able to reach 200 and maintain that just long enough to complete the measured section.
I was planning about 750 hp. The car will be very low with a slight rake. Was thinking about a Pro Stock style rear wing. I know that will provide down force with little drag. I am considering a Pantera transaxle. It would be very strong and I think ratios are available to get it up to speed.
I have been involved with motorcycle dragracing for many years, sportsman, prostock,top fuel. I know what it takes to go fast. $$$. Havent messed with going fast in a box much. Should be fun. One of my goals before I die is to go 200. I may be able to kill two birds with one stone!
Its gonna take money. Donations accepted!
Britt, One day this summer I will let you drive my V8 car.

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post Jan 4 2006, 07:15 AM
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QUOTE (dwillouby @ Jan 4 2006, 08:52 AM)
One of my goals before I die is to go 200. I may be able to kill two birds with one stone!


David

Take a new Z06 Corvette for a test drive that will get you real close. Might even be cheaper than making a 914 go that fast and a hell of allot safer.


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post Jan 4 2006, 08:43 AM
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The article that I was referring to is from Excellence, February 2000 pages 71-76. I had posted it, but was reminded that it was copyrighted material...

Anyway, the article states that the Von K car had hit 194 MPH at Riverside using A LOT of extra bodywork and a 2.2 twin turbo motor that didn't stay together for more than a few laps...
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post Jan 4 2006, 12:43 PM
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Getting a 914 over 200 shouldn't be all that difficult. Ruf got Yellow Bird (see below) up to 213 with roughly 500 hp and a five-speed gearbox with the right ratios -- and he did it by chopping down the car's frontal area as much as possible, as 1980s 911s were not exactly slippery cars. Probably no more slippery that 914s. And I suspect 914s have less frontal area.

Nor do you want a big wing -- you only want enough downforce to keep the thing safe. so the minimum downforce required to get the minimum drag. Of course, that may dictate a big-ass wing... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

If Von K got that 914 up to 194 with those huge fenders and that barn-door strapped to the front end, then I suspect it would have gone far, far faster with, say, 16x7s and 16x9s tucked into stock 914 front fenders and pulled rear fenders. Didn't Ed Pink's crazy bright pink 914 use a setup similar to this with a 944 Turbo front bumper? I think it was on the cover of European Car, maybe when it was VW & Porsche?

I'd definitely want a windshield at those speeds, plus it would smooth things out past the roll cage needed for 200-mph running.

All that said, I don't fully understand the obsession with big speed. I've been up to 209 in the passenger seat, driven at a solid 185-195 mph, and done 177.865 mph on dirt with a nice bit of oversteer. None of those experiences were fun, really...

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post Jan 4 2006, 12:46 PM
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post Jan 4 2006, 12:52 PM
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Man, that's a schweet ride (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)
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post Jan 4 2006, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE (alpha434 @ Jan 3 2006, 10:59 PM)
Langchec is german for longtail. 917s had a langchek version.

that would be "Langheck" ...

you got the chk all messed up.
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PS: and "Heck" does not mean tail either, more like the rear end. "Lang = Long" and "Heck = Rear".
The 911 Whale-Tail is called a "Heckspoiler" (and a big one at that ...) as is the ducktail ...
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post Jan 4 2006, 01:50 PM
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QUOTE (Cloudbuster @ Jan 3 2006, 11:42 PM)
Read this

The gist:
475 ponies will push a late model Camaro with a drag coefficient of .33 to a theoretical 212 mph with the right gearing. The 914 has a drag coefficient of .45.

The langheck 917s had no downforce, because Dr Piech wanted it that way.

I thought the 914 had a drag coefficient of 0.36...

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