Just Another Trip To Home Depot,, Until: Screeeech, Bang; shortened 914 Options

[TimT]

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interesting thread without having to read a particular moron.

werd

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[Howard]

QUOTE (TimT @ Jan 6 2006, 05:15 PM)

QUOTE Do i smell another Alfred? LOL I was thinking the same thing.. It seems like everyone in the world has wronged a certain somebody

Wait a minute. Is this the same guy who got the Christmas thread deleted? I know he killed the Mueller threads with his unique perspective on politics and dealing with people.

[Spoke]

I noticed a chip in the paint on the sail panel. I painted the sail panels with a black hammered paint to give it a bumpy, vinyl look. Upon inspection, I noticed that the chip was caused by a crease in the sail panel.

[seanery]

dmenche914, lighten up. You make this place miserable with your rantings. Seriously.

[seanery]

QUOTE (sgomes @ Jan 6 2006, 10:29 PM)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/hijacked.gif) Hey admins. Is there anyway to turn off the display the posts of a particular person? Kinda like an "ignore" setting. Chat clients have them. Does forum software We can turn off the display of avatars. We used to be able to turn of the display of "OT" posts. Just wondering if I can read an interesting thread without having to read a particular moron. :hijacked[off]:

Nope, I tried...only block pms from someone. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif)

[dmenche914]

Don't know about a christmas thread, Muellers thread was deleted by the person that started it,and after restarting died do to lack of interest. Some folks this don't like hearing the truth, it bothers them.

don't like it, don't read it, disagree at least back up your claims, simple as that. claim advice from others is illegal or boarderline criminal, at least have the decency to state why.

[Spoke]

I still can't believe my 914 is wrecked and undrivable. I just spent 2 weeks stripping and painting the trunk, moving the battery from the trunk to the engine bay, refurbishing the rear valence, and pounding out some small dents in the bumper and polishing it. If you look closely under the kink in the trunk lid, you can see the fine paint job that I did inside the trunk along with the new shock tower boots.

What a waste of time. I find myself bummed out that my 914 is DOA and also bummed out about the hundreds of hours of work that I've done on this vehicle. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif) On Tuesday night, I spent about 4 hours surfing this site and others reading about and contemplating a Subaru engine conversion. Maybe my next 914 will get the conversion

Spoke

[seanery]

Spoke,
I'm sorry about what happened to your car, and I'm sorry that your thread has been so thoroughly hijacked. If you would like me to clean it up just say the word.

[chilli]

QUOTE (Bleyseng @ Jan 5 2006, 06:37 AM)

unless you have a Stated Value policy........... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sheeplove.gif)

I think you mean "agreed value" policy. Stated value is worthless, just ACV policies

mike (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

[Spoke]

QUOTE (seanery @ Jan 6 2006, 11:16 PM)

Spoke, I'm sorry about what happened to your car, and I'm sorry that your thread has been so thoroughly hijacked. If you would like me to clean it up just say the word.

Thanks for the offer, I'm more worried about my outcome with the 914 to care about it.

This is a fluid event and personal differences of opinion will surface among a group. When the personal differences surface in a written medium like this site, things can get ugly quickly because we are isolated from each other and can't really see the persons involved nor can they see each other. I've seen this in my kid's chat messages with friends. These kids get down right nasty to each other. They would never say those things to each others faces.

When I write on this site or any other site including my email, I try to imagine what I would say if we all were standing around in a circle, face to face, beer in hand, having this conversation, which is in essence is what we are doing.

If a personal difference of opinion would surface in the circle, someone would probably have said "Take it OUTSIDE guys!", which is what should be done on this or any other site. If there's a personal difference of opinion between members, it should be expressed using PM or PMing the moderator to intervene.

Now back to the original topic, just out of curiosity, about how much would it cost to get a good, rust free tub or roller and ship it to Pennsylvania?

How about a
Trunk lid?
Chrome Bumper?
Valence?
Taillight?

Here's a pic under the passenger side. My trunk floor repair job folded to absorb some of the impact just as I had designed it to. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif) The trunk floor and heat shield were pushed into the muffler.

Thanks,
Spoke

[wilchek]

spoke I might have my copy of excellence for you if you need it asap. let me know it is 10 aM and the post office closes in two hours.

[bd1308]

CA tubs are anywhere from free to like 1500.

There was somebody that was going to bring a bunch of tubs to the east coast, but i havent heard anything in a while.

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif) this sucks. if there's anyway i can help out, lemme know.

b

[Mr.C]

QUOTE (Spoke @ Jan 7 2006, 05:30 AM)

When I write on this site or any other site including my email, I try to imagine what I would say if we all were standing around in a circle, face to face, beer in hand, having this conversation, which is in essence is what we are doing.

I find myself following this way of thinking lately. It is too easy to come off as a jerk sitting safe inside your home when you know the person cannot do anything other than type a response. I plan on meeting most people here someday at events and I don't want to feel like I was an ass at some point on the site. This is something I would never do in person so why do it here?

[jet1]

QUOTE (Spoke @ Jan 7 2006, 05:30 AM)

QUOTE (seanery @ Jan 6 2006, 11:16 PM) Spoke, I'm sorry about what happened to your car, and I'm sorry that your thread has been so thoroughly hijacked. If you would like me to clean it up just say the word. Thanks for the offer, I'm more worried about my outcome with the 914 to care about it. This is a fluid event and personal differences of opinion will surface among a group. When the personal differences surface in a written medium like this site, things can get ugly quickly because we are isolated from each other and can't really see the persons involved nor can they see each other. I've seen this in my kid's chat messages with friends. These kids get down right nasty to each other. They would never say those things to each others faces. When I write on this site or any other site including my email, I try to imagine what I would say if we all were standing around in a circle, face to face, beer in hand, having this conversation, which is in essence is what we are doing. If a personal difference of opinion would surface in the circle, someone would probably have said "Take it OUTSIDE guys!", which is what should be done on this or any other site. If there's a personal difference of opinion between members, it should be expressed using PM or PMing the moderator to intervene. Now back to the original topic, just out of curiosity, about how much would it cost to get a good, rust free tub or roller and ship it to Pennsylvania? How about a Trunk lid? Chrome Bumper? Valence? Taillight? Here's a pic under the passenger side. My trunk floor repair job folded to absorb some of the impact just as I had designed it to. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif) The trunk floor and heat shield were pushed into the muffler. Thanks, Spoke

Well said and good luck!

[dmenche914]

Ouch, them photos look bad. I agree with some of the things said, but being called boarderline criminal, and illegal in my advice, well all I can say is back it up with facts. Also if someone suggests someone delete their post, then goes tell that poster that it has been copied as a quote so you can't delete, well what can you do? it makes no sense to me. Then there are the folks that defend this type of crap with one word posts like "moron", or comments like "you ruined the post". Guess there are all kinds out there.


At anyrate Old Car Price Guide, is found at many magazine shops. The last issue I have is from August 2000 (Guess that is when my 914 got rear ended much like yours) It is published six times a year by Krause Publications Inc. Iola, WI The circulation phone number is (was) 715 445-3775 I just never subscribed, just bought single copies.

For Aug 2000 the 914 is listed as: (I'll give the 1973 2.0 l example, they have a listing for each year and engine combo)

condition #1 = $18,000, #2 = $12,600, #3 = $7,200, #4 = $3,600, #5 = $2,150, and condition #6 = $700

It also details what the condition #'ers mean, #6 being a parts car,and #1 being an excellent 95 point show car. it goes into more detail.

I have used this with great sucsess in battling bad adjusters/insurance companies that want to minimize the payout.

Just don't let on that the parts are valuable to you, that way you will get the lowest price to buy back the car after it is totalled.

So obtain a current issue of Old Car Price Guide, and Xerox the page with your year and engine configuration Also add any upgrade(s) you have (and price to have them installed at local labour rate) Also have second and third sources that back up your claims, excellence has been mentioned, it is good, and find some want ads too. The more ammo you have the better you will be off

You are owed money to help you in the search for a new 914 as with older cars, the search can be time consuming, not like a two year old honda civic which can be found at about any used car lot, without rust and the wear and tear that can be on a 30+ year old car. Also consider sales tax, say they value the car at $6000 and pay you $6000, you find a good 914 for $6000, but consider you have to pay sales tax in some states to register the car, sales tax in calinazifornia is about 8% so you'll need near $500 more (total $6500) to replace the car, not $6000. Be sure to include that also.

Document the time you spend documenting the value of the car, they owe you for your time also.

You lost the car, and your time, itemize the cost of any price guides you buy, and milage you drive to go buy them, add it all up. It gives you a better negotiating edge.

besure any pains are checked out by a doctor, pain can manifest itself one or two days later, and then last many years.

Good luck, may you come out fully compensated for this crash.

[sportlicherFahrer]

I just went through all this back in Oct-Nov. My really nice '75 1.8L get side-swiped/t-boned. The insurance company wouldn't even have anything to do with that Excellence article. I guess it might depend on what company it is. I was dealing with Pemco that time. I got a HUGE runaround, but my dad and I fought tooth and nail with them for a month and a half.

First off, if you havent signed your car over yet, I wouldnt. I kept my car for parts AND to help other teeners to get back on thier feet.

Second, It has been said already, but I will say it again. The company will low ball you unbelievably. They wanted to give me $4600 INCLUDING tax and lic. for a car that was worth around $5-6K or so according to the magazine and other sources. I finally settled for roughly $5200 and picked up my current car for $5K. I still had some things to fix on it to get it near the shape of my old car, but hell, we all like working on these cars to make them our own, right?

IF you get a rental for a while out of the deal like I did, beware. At the first offer they give you, they will take it away even if you dont settle.

Another thing to think about with a repaired car besides value. The strength of the steel! It is like bending a piece of engine tin back and forth. It gets easier and easier the more you do it. That metal on your car will never have the same strength IMHO. My bug is a good sign of that. RIP VW!

All in all, I hope you dont get screwed too bad. I still got it a little, but ended up with a better car in the long run. This kind of thing REALLY sucks. It is alomst like losing a family member(to me anyways). Ive lost 2 cars to stupid fuchin drivers this last YEAR alone. It makes you want to go live in the boonies and stay away from the city!

Best of luck to you!

[dmenche914]

Add up everthing, and if they don't meet your offer, or resonably close, file a lawsuit. In california it is i believe it is a $7500 limit. you sue the car that hit you owner, and the driver should be added. It is important it is the registered owner of the car that hit you that is named in the suit even if they were not in the car.

If you only claim $7500 or less, the leverage of a court date is tremedous pressure on the insurance company.

They don't like to send some one to court, and in small claims it is you agiant the person that hit you, the insurance lawyer may be present, but may not be part of the hearing, it is you and the car owner. So if you have your shit together (lots of documentation, reduntant price guides, letter on your car, photos etcc and you put on a good argument you will win. It is better for them to settle than loose anyway and still waste time in court, Since it you verses ths owner of the car, well he is compelled to attend by his insurance company, but he is not going to put a lot of time in argueing the cost of the car, cause he has insurance to pay, so all you really end of doing is needing to convince the judge of the cost, so have it documented, with copies to leave with the judge.

Just remember the insurance company may try to pull some tricks, never cancel court until after you have the check and full agreement in hand. If you do you most liekly can not re-file for a hearing even if they skip out on the agreement.

You can also ask for money for time spent preparing your documentation.

Send a nice but firm demand for what you want and a itemized list (how you you came to the total cost) along with proofs and documentations of prices.

Also demand a rental car immediatly, that will cost them, cause they pay for it up front (don't let them make you pay with promise to reimburse you, cause if they baulk later, that is part of the max $7500 limit) Tell them you demand a rental NOW until the car is repaired, or they settle and give you money to buy a new car. since this will cost them money, they will be under pressure to settle faster rather than drag their feet. That is too your advantage.

Send the demand letter to the insurance company and the registered owner. You need to do this to:

1. show the insurance company you mean bussiness and can be organized and have your facts together, they know folks like that WILL win in court.
2. it will be good for the court if it gets that far, cause it will show the judge you tried to settle before taking his time in court, and that you made a reasonable argument to them,and they rejected it. that mades judges side with you more.
Send the letter with proof of mailing, and /or proof of recipt, that also show the insurance company that you are covering all you bases, that kind of stuff scares them!

good luck


PS I believe injury is under a sepperate lawsuit. you file one for pain and suffering,a dn seperate one for property damage. So the $7500 limit might be applicable to your crash twice. You'll need to double check that, most countis have free small claims advice offices run by legal staff, they can answer all the details for sure. So if you have medical you may still be able to go beyond small claims. And in small claims you have abig advantage, go to big time court and the insurance companies lawyers are allowed to get involved, give counter evidence etc... so even if you want $8500, you may be better off settling for the small claims limit, note the filing fee is much less for small claims.

[Howard]

914 Another Comp. Sounds like your car...

[cgnj]

Hi,

My 2 cents from personal experience. It doesn't matter what they offer you. You were rear ended. You get to pick the shop where your car gets repaired. Don't even get involved in negotation. Find the best porsche restoration shop in the area and have your car towed there. Send the adjuster there and let them work out the cost of repair. They will agree or not, if there are overruns the shop goes directly to the adjuster. They insurance company will agree or not. Your losses include the rental of a vehicle while your "daily driver" is repaired. They will try to get you to accept some lowball figure that you couldn't rent a wreck for. As long as it doesn't cost them any money to prolong the settlement, ( you're not renting a car and accuring storage charges, they will try to wear you down. As long as your consequential damages are reasonable you will prevail should prevail in court. If your neck doesn't hurt yet, It should start hurting now, nothing like the threat of a PI suite on top of everything else to grease the skids. Is it wrong? Not if your trying to be made whole and your being screwed by an adjuster who gets a bonus based on how much money he saves by screwing you. I've had to take this route twice in NJ. Once with a 74 teener and once with a oppsie, Mazda.

Carlos

[dmenche914]

although from the photos you are clearly rear ended and hence the other car is in Calif near always considered at fault by default you are in good standing to win, however, wonder if you could go back to Home deport and ask to review any security tapes of the parking lot. I don't know how long they save them, so give them a call now and ask. Nothing like a tape just in case the other guy tries to lie and say like you stopped suddenly for no reason or such. let him lie to the judge, then play the tape to the judge, nothing is better for your case than the other guy lying and you have it otherwise on tape, or multible credible witnesses on your side. judges hate that stuff!

Now request that rental, tell them you want a targa or convertible model! no seriously, like for like. If they took out your trick, you should tell them you need to rent a truck, like wise a compact for a compact, a luxury full size for same and so on and so on. They need to rent you a sport convertable at least, maybe a miata, or S2000 or sporty car of your choice. Demand that in your request for a rental. Tell them you need it monday morning. Go to avis or herzt or look in the phone book an find the place that has that kind of car for rent and pick it. That makes it easy for them, when they tell you they can't get one, you can tell them how to do it! Your in charge, your Porsche was re-ended by thier insured, and that's the bottom line, Until they settle on the car and either pay you off, or fix the car, they owe you a like car rental.

They owe you full compensation from everthing that has arisen from this. be sure to not sign any release for property damage until all is considered. they love to try to get you to sign off on what they say is just the car or a release or something, how ever be ware, you could be signing your rights away for any compensation on other aspects of the claim. if your neck or back is sore, tell them, and go see a doc. You might consider a talk with a lawyer, first consult is generally free, and at least educational for you.

i could recommend a very very good one in the san fransisco bay area.

good luck