 912E 2.0 vs. 914 2.0 engine, differences |
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| bd1308 |
 Jan 7 2006, 05:55 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot  Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501  |
i need to know what other differences there are between the 914 version of the t4 engine and the 912E version.
why does one cost 1200 as a core and another cost 500 as a core? b |
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| Bleyseng |
Jan 7 2006, 06:00 PM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
One is for Porsche and the other is for a VW!
Same longblock tin and different FI is the only difference between them. Maybe a special flywheel ......only seen one 912E engine outta the car. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/popcorn[1].gif) |
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| brer |
Jan 7 2006, 06:01 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,555 Joined: 10-March 05 From: san diego Member No.: 3,736 Region Association: None |
one of thems an engine from a real porsche? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif)
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| bd1308 |
Jan 7 2006, 06:05 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
im trying to pull a AA here, where's Jake?
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| dmenche914 |
Jan 7 2006, 06:08 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,212 Joined: 27-February 03 From: California Member No.: 366 |
912E has more unique (ie rare and expense) smog and exhaust components, particularly on Calinazifornia cars. standards where getting tougher. . these are more expensive parts. Some sheet metal on the engine is also unique to the 912E and hence hard to find if it is lost to prior owners say when car is purchased with no engine,
Also the 912E unfortunatly falls under Calinazifornias super strict fixed smog year for testing. It is unforgiving if original smog equipment is missing, or beyond repair so you may need to get it, thats why the prices for complete cores is so high, all the extra goodies, others wise they are not that much different than a 914 engine. The old 912 (that teh 914 replaced in 1970) non 912E with the 356 style motor are a whole different thing. |
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| bd1308 |
Jan 7 2006, 06:10 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
76 912E, just engine. local to me for 1200 cash.
core but should run is what the mechanic said. Are these just 914 engines left over from the 76 914? b |
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| Eric_Shea |
Jan 7 2006, 06:16 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,275 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains  |
Well... as a core, yes. There's quite a few other diffs. as mentioned here. |
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| Bleyseng |
Jan 7 2006, 06:18 PM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Yes, as Porsche had only so many (4100) 914 76 bodies to build cars out of. Ok, then Porsche decided to fill the "cheaper" Porsche lineup witha 912E with the ready to go 914 2.0L engine.
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| bd1308 |
Jan 7 2006, 06:18 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
okay.
so what makes thier value higher? b |
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| Bleyseng |
Jan 7 2006, 06:19 PM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
The 912E IS A Porsche unlike the 914 which is a VW
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| bd1308 |
Jan 7 2006, 06:21 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif)
im not paying 1200 for a 914 engine as a core.... b |
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| Eric_Shea |
Jan 7 2006, 06:22 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,275 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I could have told ya that 9 posts ago... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
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| davep |
Jan 7 2006, 09:10 PM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,141 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada  |
I think the 912E engine had L-jet FI like the 914 1.8 engine as opposed to the D-jet of earlier 2.0 engines. Do they have the 912E tranny available?
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| bd1308 |
Jan 7 2006, 09:21 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
its a 4 speed tranny isnt it, with removable second gear?
I'll check. b |
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| Aaron Cox |
Jan 7 2006, 09:53 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
does it come with the trans? its a 923 )915 with 901 input shaft...,.. trannies are worth a mint... |
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| Aaron Cox |
Jan 7 2006, 09:53 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
oh... and its a 5 speed... 915. special gears and most of all a 901 style input shaft...... called the TYP 923 |
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| smac |
Jan 7 2006, 10:05 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 39 Joined: 17-June 05 From: westminster Ca Member No.: 4,294 |
Does this core come with the fuel injection and smog components? That is the only real difference besides the sheetmetal. Jake would know for sure. If it has the fuel injection let me know, I'll compensate! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
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| bd1308 |
Jan 7 2006, 10:19 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
huh? just find a 1.8 Ljet system and tune it for a 2.0.
or wait until a certain someone markets a MS kit... b |
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| Al Meredith |
Jan 8 2006, 06:15 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 960 Joined: 4-November 04 From: Atlanta, ga Member No.: 3,061 |
I have 912E # 265 and I have previously owned # 1887 and 327. I also have a factory engine section workshop manual ( German 4 ring binder). I just removed the engine from #265 due to a very leaky oil seal. When we removed the flywheel we found one of the three shims badley deformed and the rear bearing would rotate about 15* . I desided to put this core on the shelf and build a completely new engine. Other than the tin, FI, exhaust manifolds and motor mounts I can't see anything different . Mine already had the unique thermal reactors removed. I did notice that the engine has no serial number. The engine # is on the fan shroud. Len Hoffman tapped threads into the bottom of the heads he did for me. He said 912Es have these on the 3/4" squares on the bottom . These probably support the heat exchangers and muffler as there is no Xmission to hang them on. Oh, I'll be building a Jake Raby 2056.
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| Trekkor |
Jan 8 2006, 06:30 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
The cam? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/huh.gif) KT |
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