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> To light for you racer boy, SCCA Stuck it to me good.
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post Jan 14 2006, 08:07 AM
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Geez Miles the thought has me so messed up I posted on the wrong thread. Some things just shouldn't be.

You in the thong would make me look straight down the course and say "I'm not gonna look, I'm not gonna look, I'm not gonna look over and over. I'd concentrate on the course more than ever.

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post Jan 14 2006, 08:07 AM
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QUOTE (Joe Ricard @ Jan 14 2006, 05:11 AM)
[QUOTE=Foster,Jan 13 2006, 08:21 PM]

JP I was looking at Prepared . Geesh means I got to go get 7" rims max for F prepared. So much for my diamond steelies. What class do you run in for SCCA?
Autocross is supposed to be relatively inexpensive. Ha !!! I thing changing rules is fixing that.
Maybe I should just take the step to DE's and stuff I'm pretty much set up for it. and it will take all my money too.

I keep thinking a 125 shifter Kart would be cool. and leave the teener on the street as a look a like racer.

I run in F Prepared. I don't understand the "7 inch rims max" bit. Max for FP is 10 X 16. 7 or 8 X 15 is good for Cantilever slicks. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

I can't figure the SCCA logic on 2100 lbs for SM2.....unless they want to turn it into *another* Vette class. Dumb ruling, me thinks.

The nice thing about Prepared or Mod is that you can do a lot of things with a car......D Mod & FP both have a minimum weight of 1500 lbs (with a 2.0L in FP). All this costs money, of course (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/blink.gif) Karts have never been a viable autocross option for me.
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post Jan 15 2006, 09:03 PM
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Just taking this back to the top because I am still pissed.
Maybe I can't read them prepared rules to good I am so confused. Maybe things will settle out and if enough people bitch the wieght rule might get changed back for SM-2.

Actually sat at home today while the club ran 25 car event. 10 runs a piece plus fun runs later.
Got lots done on the house so it's not a total waste.

I think the jump to 2100 was to keep the ELISE from jumping to the class. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/KMA.gif)

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post Jan 16 2006, 09:13 AM
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The SCCA has never really had a warm spot for Porsches in general. Hmmmm... what mfg makes the most rear and mid engined cars.... and how is a "rear" mid engined car that much different from a "front" mid engined car, like a 3rd gen rx-7? Your thoughts on this being an "Elise spoiler" rule are interesting- that thought hadn't crossed my mind.

All you need is $$$- build a GT flaired, huge rimmed 914 with a 993 turbo motor, G50 trans, you'll eat up most if not all of that 2100lbs, and have a monster SM2 car. And a second mortgage, 3rd job, unhappy wife, and lots of new friends looking to mooch a ride.
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post Jan 16 2006, 11:08 AM
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They already took care of keeping the Elsie out: 16.C.2.c SM2 "Excluded vehicles: Lotus (all)"

The 2100 pound limit is what keeps those 5.0 liter pushrod or 4.0 liter OHC mid-engine cars in check.

A Z06 could be legally stripped to less to weight less than allowable for a 914. I do not think SCCA has any concerns over if a 914 is competitive or not.

Rules are here: SCCA SOLO II Rulebook
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post Jan 16 2006, 11:44 AM
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I'm still hoping that they realize they screwed up and make the change back to 1900 lbs.
Hey I can hope can't I????
I guess that is why you see more old buggers like the 914 in Prepared and Modified or the junk yard. Not ready to do that to a still pretty nice early car.
For some reason I can't find the original wieght of an early car. Seems to me I read someplace that the 4 cylinder cars left the factory @ like 2094 or sumpin.
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post Jan 16 2006, 11:55 AM
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1950#
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post Jan 16 2006, 12:14 PM
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QUOTE (Bleyseng @ Jan 16 2006, 09:55 AM)
1950#

????? Really????? So how screwed up is that?
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post Jan 16 2006, 12:33 PM
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I think official weights vary depending upon whom is looking it up.

but I know PCA recognizes that all 914/4's were factory weight of 2139

I'm sure that some early cars were less and some late cars more. But they took this number directly from the factory tech book.

I would think SCCA would use a factory published number like this also. I'm very surprised if they claim 1950, but I also am no scca expert

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post Jan 16 2006, 01:23 PM
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So.will they let you offset the penalty with some added power??
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post Jan 16 2006, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE (Jake Raby @ Jan 16 2006, 11:23 AM)
So.will they let you offset the penalty with some added power??

Actually they specifically said I should go see you for more power.
Sumpin about test mule for a turbo system.

What's the buzzing? oh that's my alarm clock I was dreaming again. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool_shades.gif)
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post Jan 16 2006, 04:20 PM
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Cage, chassis and suspension arm stiffners.
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post Jan 16 2006, 04:24 PM
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I wouldn't add a single pound to the brakes...
and the absolute last thing you would want is vented rotors.

your talking about unsprung weight and worse rotational mass...
you certainly don't want this extra weight to eat up your horsepower....



the billet 4-lug hubs with 911 vented rotor weighs less than the factory /4 one-piece solid rotor and hub (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)
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post Jan 16 2006, 08:17 PM
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QUOTE (Mueller @ Jan 16 2006, 03:24 PM)
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I wouldn't add a single pound to the brakes...
and the absolute last thing you would want is vented rotors.

your talking about unsprung weight and worse rotational mass...
you certainly don't want this extra weight to eat up your horsepower....



the billet 4-lug hubs with 911 vented rotor weighs less than the factory /4 one-piece solid rotor and hub (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

I'll give you that one.
that is great!

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post Jan 16 2006, 09:11 PM
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I will be jonesing for some Mueller brakes once the power goes in.

Crap there's that buzzing again.. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/happy11.gif)
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post Jan 16 2006, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE (Mueller @ Jan 16 2006, 02:24 PM)
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I wouldn't add a single pound to the brakes...
and the absolute last thing you would want is vented rotors.

your talking about unsprung weight and worse rotational mass...
you certainly don't want this extra weight to eat up your horsepower....



the billet 4-lug hubs with 911 vented rotor weighs less than the factory /4 one-piece solid rotor and hub (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

Myth Buster!!!!


Let them fools believe....


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post Jan 17 2006, 10:34 AM
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Joe, if you want to be a test bitch for the Turbo, make a cam change, drop the CR and let's talk boost.
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post Jan 17 2006, 11:23 AM
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Jake you have mail.
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